Root [CDMA] No need to panic about 'locked' bootloader - HTC listened

[RiverOfIce]

So social engineer it is. We just need to not let them sleep. To pound this drum until they want to commit suicide. Ok, I am in for it.

RiverOfIce puts on ear plugs and play "Welcome to the Jungle" by Guns and Roses.

 

[fattank]

How many people called fake info? At least the bootloader info proved to be nonsense. Where is this "BSOD" fellow now? Wake Up HTC

 

[fattank]

Suggestion: Post more info in the first post, including what we can do about it now that HTC appears to be listening. A link to Wake Up HTC or at least the petition (HTC Bootloaders and NAND | groubal complaints) would go a long way to help concentrate and consolidate the various complaints.

 

[jerofld]

I wonder what will happen if in a few days they come out and say that they won't be making any changes.

Either all of the fire and anger will be gone and it'll die out, or could it be worse, since they pissed people off, quieted them with what will then be interpreted by many as a lie (they completely think that reevaluating is opening up), and then decided to stay the course.

Some will be doubly as mad, but will there still be the numbers to really make noise, and if they've already looked at the policy and not changed it, will there be any reason to continue complaining other than to voice your displeasure at something you know won't be changed, or maybe the cathartic effect it'll have?

I agree, it could just be a placating move. So now there are two handset manufacturers under fire for locking down their phones. I wonder who flinches first, HTC, Moto, or Android owners that migrate to other manufacturers like Samsung. Although, that begs the question: How long until Sammy pulls the same stunt? I bet, though, that if either HTC or Moto actually comes through and reverses course (It has yet to be seen on Moto phones, they said they're not unlocking anything until their newer releases), the other will be more or less forced to do the same to stay competitive.

 

[burgertime]

Is this going to be a decision HTC can make though? My guess would be this ultimately comes down to Sprint and not HTC...HTC can play the victim for PR of course but as a manufacturer your only job is to make what your customers want you to make.

 

[novox77]

Suggestion: Post more info in the first post, including what we can do about it now that HTC appears to be listening. A link to Wake Up HTC or at least the petition (HTC Bootloaders and NAND | groubal complaints) would go a long way to help concentrate and consolidate the various complaints.

Your suggestion is a good one. Created (and locked) a thread containing links to petitions.

http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all-things-root/342244-htc-petitions-change-bootloader-policy.html

 

[you2]

Didn't the lady who demoed the evo3d at cita indicate they would allow modding ? (i.e, not lock the boot loader; does this mean she was mistaken or does it mean sprint intends to make the key public; or is my memory of what she said flawed) ?

How many people called fake info? At least the bootloader info proved to be nonsense. Where is this "BSOD" fellow now? Wake Up HTC

 

[EarlyMon]

Didn't the lady who demoed the evo3d at cita indicate they would allow modding ? (i.e, not lock the boot loader; does this mean she was mistaken or does it mean sprint intends to make the key public; or is my memory of what she said flawed) ?

My memory's no better.

So, here's the vid for whomever gets the chance to watch it first - please note and post the time where she talks about that:

YouTube - ‪CTIA 2011: Sprint HTC EVO 3D Hands-On Demo‬‏

PS - Moved posts here from BSOD thread - suggest we just leave that thread to its fate.

(Sorry - now moved to root forum - original move without sufficient coffee! )

 

[RiverOfIce]

Starting about 26:06 or so.

 

[dan330]

Starting about 26:06 or so.

i watched it from 24min to end... and no mention of bootloaders or root..

 

[RiverOfIce]

i watched it from 24min to end... and no mention of bootloaders or root..

I could swear they say something right at the end about.

"well sprint id this device?"

"We are not planing on it..."

 

[Jackietreehorn]

Sprint ID (http://support.sprint.com/ria/pages/index.jsp?ms=SprintID&ECID=vanity:sprintID#/learn) isn't the same thing as rooting or anything like that. Per Sprint:

Make your phone a reflection of who you are. Sprint ID lets you cut through the clutter by selecting mobile ID Packs featuring apps, ringers, wallpapers, widgets and more. It's all about you and the things you love to do.

So yeah, unfortunately, nothing there about it, at least in that end portion of the video.

Edit: Can't at all fault you for not knowing about it. Sprint had a big announcement some time back. They seemed to think it was going to be the next big thing, and it landed with a resounding thud. I've never heard of anyone refer to it (as in, seriously recommend it or anything of that nature) outside of a Sprint store.

 

[LBPHeretic]

The sad thing is, even if HTC changes their bootloader policy, I am certain it will not retroactively affect the Sprint HTC EVO 3D handsets that have already been manufactured or at all maybe. Perhaps they will give us the unlock code, but that is really reaching.

We may just have to rely on a leaked bootloader after all. I am still at a crossroads as to whether or not I want this handset now or not.

 

[EarlyMon]

The sad thing is, even if HTC changes their bootloader policy, I am certain it will not retroactively affect the Sprint HTC EVO 3D handsets that have already been manufactured or at all maybe. Perhaps they will give us the unlock code, but that is really reaching.

We may just have to rely on a leaked bootloader after all. I am still at a crossroads as to whether or not I want this handset now or not.

That's not predetermined - after all, the Evo bootloader updated in at least one of the OTA updates - they can push whatever they please, it seems to me.

 

[Vanquished]

While it seems like we are the big fish in the pond, we are quite the opposite. Most people will be happy with the stock phone. That's what upsets me. I hope that our community can make a big enough impact to HTC that they handover the RUU. (as I sit dreaming..)

They have to take into consideration all of their future devices which will supposedly be locked as well. Since certain carriers get certain devices, they will lose several thousand sales with each carrier just from the rooting community with each device, not just the E3D. Not to mention lots of outside people (family and friends) make their decisions based on what members of this community tell them.

Although HTC may still be able to make money, I'm pretty sure they will notice a drop in revenue from this decision.

 

[RiverOfIce]

Sprint ID (http://support.sprint.com/ria/pages/index.jsp?ms=SprintID&ECID=vanity:sprintID#/learn) isn't the same thing as rooting or anything like that. Per Sprint:



So yeah, unfortunately, nothing there about it, at least in that end portion of the video.

Edit: Can't at all fault you for not knowing about it. Sprint had a big announcement some time back. They seemed to think it was going to be the next big thing, and it landed with a resounding thud. I've never heard of anyone refer to it (as in, seriously recommend it or anything of that nature) outside of a Sprint store.

And a swing and a miss. Sorry about that. They mumble alot and it was early in the morning.

Which is why we have people check our facts, because you never know when you are going to get it wrong.

 

[LBPHeretic]

That's not predetermined - after all, the Evo bootloader updated in at least one of the OTA updates - they can push whatever they please, it seems to me.

Quite true. But what I meant was that the likelihood of them actually changing it for handsets that are close to rolling out or have already been manufactured is pretty low despite a sudden policy change.

I know that things are never written in stone with software. That is why it is called software after all.

 

[hakujin]

My memory's no better.

So, here's the vid for whomever gets the chance to watch it first - please note and post the time where she talks about that:

YouTube - ‪CTIA 2011: Sprint HTC EVO 3D Hands-On Demo‬‏

PS - Moved posts here from BSOD thread - suggest we just leave that thread to its fate.

(Sorry - now moved to root forum - original move without sufficient coffee! )

I can't even understand what he asks at 26:04 before the tangent about htc sense, nor does she seem capable of answering such a question but...


I like how she talks about all the other superfluous things (carousel UI effect, 'in likeness to 3d - 2d widget effects', dlna etc.) as though they are unique to the Evo 3D when these things have all been around for awhile and can be had w/o bloated Sense or the Evo 3D. It always surprises me how not so geek these spokespersons are for these companies at these high profile events, when they could probably get somebody from a forum (like here) to do it better and probably cheaper, lol.

 

[LBPHeretic]

I like how she talks about all the other superfluous things (carousel UI effect, 'in likeness to 3d - 2d widget effects', dlna etc.) as though they are unique to the Evo 3D when these things have all been around for awhile and can be had w/o bloated Sense or the Evo 3D. It always surprises me how not so geek these spokespersons are for these companies at these high profile events, when they could probably get somebody from a forum (like here) to do it better and probably cheaper, lol.

That is because they are catering to the target demographic, which are the people who have no interest in rooting or ROM customization. Sadly, we only amount to a small slice of the entire Android pie.

Your normal consumer wants flashy screen transitions, and does not care about a bloated launcher taking up space. I do wish they would allow some geeky people to do presentations though as they often have the most enthusiasm for the product.

 

[BlackDynamite]

That is because they are catering to the target demographic, which are the people who have no interest in rooting or ROM customization. Sadly, we only amount to a small slice of the entire Android pie.

Your normal consumer wants flashy screen transitions, and does not care about a bloated launcher taking up space. I do wish they would allow some geeky people to do presentations though as they often have the most enthusiasm for the product.

I think his point was the girl was touting all of those features that you can get on any phone if you install a launcher from the market. She was acting like it was so cool and awesome, but you can do that stuff right now on your Evo 4G with, for example, SPB Shell 3D (who HTC stole those features from anyway).

 

[LBPHeretic]

I think his point was the girl was touting all of those features that you can get on any phone if you install a launcher from the market. She was acting like it was so cool and awesome, but you can do that stuff right now on your Evo 4G with, for example, SPB Shell 3D (who HTC stole those features from anyway).

Oh, I know that. I just meant that the demonstrator loves to tout that stuff because your normal consumer eats it up for dinner.

A lot of the cool innovations that end up getting baked into new handsets are ripped off from aftermarket apps, so I totally agree. Everyone loves to copy everyone else it seems.

 

[sergi0wned]

I almost feel like this is a viral marketing attempt by HTC.

With all of the buzz out about the "locked bootloader" and the inevitable backlash in the community, they can pretend to "listen to the community" and reverse their policy, leading people to believe that they support the community.

Also, there's the possibility of a calculated "leak" like the Thunderbolt.

Who knows, probably wishful thinking on my part, but we can all hope that they will give us the freedom to customize our devices.

 

[hakujin]

Both points are accurate. This leads to an interesting point. Amidst all the Android blogs discussing this headliner, one of the more popular ones (name escapes me) kept referring to the 'vocal minority'. What the author failed to analyze and articulate was the cascading effect this was happening to the less 'in tune' crowd.

For instance, HTC's facebook page has been so bombarded about this issue, it's a full onslaught, so there is this general consumer placebo effect. What those like us lack in breadth, is made up for in depth. HTC may need an amicable resolution if only so that the general public doesn't percieve there is something 'wrong' with HTC's new product.

Means to the same end...

 

[thelonewizard]

Both points are accurate. This leads to an interesting point. Amidst all the Android blogs discussing this headliner, one of the more popular ones (name escapes me) kept referring to the 'vocal minority'. What the author failed to analyze and articulate was the cascading effect this was happening to the less 'in tune' crowd.

For instance, HTC's facebook page has been so bombarded about this issue, it's a full onslaught, so there is this general consumer placebo effect. What those like us lack in breadth, is made up for in depth. HTC may need an amicable resolution if only so that the general public doesn't percieve there is something 'wrong' with HTC's new product.

Means to the same end...

Genius. Now what if this were to make it to something like CNN or Fox News, where all they do is talk about what's wrong with the world anyway? They'd be able to have a debate about why it should or shouldn't be signed/encrypted, and people watching would just eat that stuff up. If they didn't know better, they would figure something was indeed wrong with that shiny new phone they were pining for. Having second thoughts, the backlash on HTC would hit financially and also as a hit to their public image. Once they're losing money due to this, and people frown upon their shenanigans, we'd have a better chance of unencrypted bootloaders.

/endrant

 

[BlackDynamite]

Genius. Now what if this were to make it to something like CNN or Fox News, where all they do is talk about what's wrong with the world anyway? They'd be able to have a debate about why it should or shouldn't be signed/encrypted, and people watching would just eat that stuff up. If they didn't know better, they would figure something was indeed wrong with that shiny new phone they were pining for. Having second thoughts, the backlash on HTC would hit financially and also as a hit to their public image. Once they're losing money due to this, and people frown upon their shenanigans, we'd have a better chance of unencrypted bootloaders.

/endrant

If this hit CNN or some big news network, HTC would have no choice but to fix it ASAP.

Man it would be totally awesome if someone on here had a brother who was a producer or something on CNN.