"Apple iPhone, iPad doesn't have flash? Who cares! HTML5 is superior!" Well...

[PaulMcCartney]

Okay.

Let's say that the iDevices are better because they don't support flash.

So what?

I just don't see a closed-platform OS dominating the market. Ever.

Open-platform OS (Microsoft Windows, Google Android) will always come out on top no matter what happens.

Flash or no flash, Android is still open, while every OS Apple makes isn't.

 

[TheBrit]

Apple was bitten by this in the 80s and 90s with the Macintosh closed platform - they will be again with the iPhone closed platform...but when?

If the version 4 iPhone does not do something radical (did any iPhone?) then people will start to wise up. From the announcement that Jobs made it looks like they are now trying to play catch-up.

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[PaulMcCartney]

Apple was bitten by this in the 80s and 90s with the Macintosh closed platform - they will be again with the iPhone closed platform...but when?

If the version 4 iPhone does not do something radical (did any iPhone?) then people will start to wise up. From the announcement that Jobs made it looks like they are now trying to play catch-up.

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Yep. History is only repeating itself.

 

[cooolone2]

Yep. History is only repeating itself.

Oh, most certainly... Apple's CLOSED loop system is what was their almost DOOM before and they seemed to have learned nothing from it. IT is why MS kicked their butt! Remember walking down the software isles in the CompUSA or wherever... 15 isles of MS software covering ANYTHING you wished to accomplish compared to the 2 isles of Mac software that all did the same thing. For the first few years, MAC could do what MS couldn't in the graphical world, but that gap eroded year after year until there really is no difference anymore. It was amusing to watch Apple make their OS mimic Windows so that (MS Windows) software could run on it... knowing they had a problem.

Apple has done some good things, mostly their marketing has all the power and the devices are attractive cause it simplifies always, user input to accomplish a goal or task. But to many, simpler is not always better.

That all said... Apple is fighting blindly in this instance with regard to the Flash issue. HTML 5 won't be pushed along any faster than the NET will allow and that won't be for a few years yet. Anyway... all just MHO... and $.02.

Regards

 

[Pryomancer]

It'll be interesting to see what route Apple takes when Steve eventually quits, fully, with no more ties and influence over anything Apple does. When he dies, basically.

 

[Eazail70x7]

Welcome back IOWA

LOL! I noticed the thanks as well. Was gonna make a comment about it lol

 

[5thElement]

If it wasnt for apple sending every phone Mfr into a frenzy when they released the first iPhone none of us would have devices like anything close to what we have today. We would all still be in a phone stone age or even worse...gulp...Windows moblie phone age.

 

[Demache]

I got along with Nokia Symbian (which I thought was a great OS, even if it isn't fancy at all) until I came across Android.

 

[Snow_Fox]

Apple has the greatest power in the world.

To take standard things away, and make people believe they are better off without them.

It is how people lose their rights, when governments get their people to believe the loss of their rights is "needed" and "for your own good".

The real question, Is apple anything more than a fad?

 

[The_Game21x]

Agreed. I have never purchased an Apple product and never will.

 

[Caloy]

HTML 5 is a promising technology, too bad it would take years for people to accept HTML 5 above flash, simply because there are more flash content in the web then there is HTML 5. For now at least, Flash is still the more desirable.

 

[mrqs]

also, as of right now, html5 isn't any faster at video playback (on average) than flash - of course this'll eventually change, but it'll take a long time - html5 isn't even a standard yet

then there's all the things you can't do with html5 that you can with flash, things that get overlooked when everyone's just talking about video playback

i kinda wish silverlight took over flash personally, at least in the areas other than video streaming (which i'd gladly hand over to html5 in due time)

 

[PaulMcCartney]

Something I found very interesting related to the topic.

 

[mrqs]

doesn't the highlighted (green/red) part just mean apple makes their own hardware, while linux, android and windows are intended to be run on 3rd party hardware?

the chart even says "macintosh" rather than "os x" and "iphone" instead of "iphone os" - they are devices, not os's, unlike linux android and windows (ok, linux isn't either if we're being anal, but you get the point)


the supply-side user's perspective is imo what's wrong with the iphone (among other things)

 

[PaulMcCartney]

doesn't the highlighted (green/red) part just mean apple makes their own hardware, while linux, android and windows are intended to be run on 3rd party hardware?

the chart even says "macintosh" rather than "os x" and "iphone" instead of "iphone os" - they are devices, not os's, unlike linux android and windows (ok, linux isn't either if we're being anal, but you get the point)


the supply-side user's perspective is imo what's wrong with the iphone (among other things)

Yeah. To me, that's the most important part. That is why a closed platform in that area will never dominate the market. When an operating systems opens itself to many devices by different manufacturers, it becomes unstoppable.

And I don't know why it's called Macintosh and iPhone... It's supposed to be comparing the operating systems that run on those devices.

 

[Caddyman]

I dint think many understand that most average consumers want a closed, solid, secure, platform such as the iphone. Anyone complaining about it should have the know how to jailbreak it, then it is just as open as android...

 

[byteware]

If it wasnt for apple sending every phone Mfr into a frenzy when they released the first iPhone none of us would have devices like anything close to what we have today. We would all still be in a phone stone age or even worse...gulp...Windows moblie phone age.

Android was in development before the iPhone was released.

 

[byteware]

I dint think many understand that most average consumers want a closed, solid, secure, platform such as the iphone. Anyone complaining about it should have the know how to jailbreak it, then it is just as open as android...

Then you can risk Apple intentionally bricking it, if you aren't careful.

 

[Fonseca]

I dint think many understand that most average consumers want a closed, solid, secure, platform such as the iphone. Anyone complaining about it should have the know how to jailbreak it, then it is just as open as android...

That was the same thing said about PC's way back in the day. Android is not completely open source, Google does not release 100% of the source file. However, a completely closed OS is not the answer. Why? Developers. Think about it, developers are starting to move to Android, and with the new rules put in place for creating an app on the iPhone, I would not be shocked to see some devs completely stop writing for the iPhone (not right now, but in the future).

 

[Snow_Fox]

As a person who works sales.. I will tell you.. simplicity sells.

While I desire choice, while I desire things with capability...

Your average user doesn't know what they want.. part of the reason iphone sells so well.. it is flashy.. it does flashy things.. even if its not really for "power users".

Android has a big advantage though, it is not trying to keep an "elitist" status.. lets face it, part of the iphone craze is so many people not being able to get one.. I work selling phones, and you wouldn't believe how many people I have seen want an iphone all the more just because there is an 800$ deposit.

So if people see that android can do everything and more that iphone can.. at a possibly cheaper cost.. then your gunna see android start selling..

plus, using android is more like using a desktop computer. I feel more like i'm navigating windows than using some strange OS when I use android. That is going to sell a lot of people because, it feels and functions more like a desktop than a phone...

*edited for a grammar mistake I caught*

 

[mbell75]

Okay.

Let's say that the iDevices are better because they don't support flash.

So what?

I just don't see a closed-platform OS dominating the market. Ever.

Open-platform OS (Microsoft Windows, Google Android) will always come out on top no matter what happens.

Flash or no flash, Android is still open, while every OS Apple makes isn't.

2 things. The iPhone and its "closed" OS has been dominating its market for 3 years, so there goes one of your theories. Second, several companies have already finished and will soon be using emulators that convert flash video to h.264 or some other useable codec when it detects an iPad. Nice try though

 

[Kelmar]

According to this... symbian is still dominating the market, not apple.

 

[02keilj]

I know many people who are against iPhones for the fact that they just do not need one, or need a device that does that number of things. These people all seem to have Nokia N95, 97s, or the E71s and such. They can facebook, text and make calls. That is all they need.
That is why i think there are still large numbers of Symbian users out there.

 

[mrqs]

I know many people who are against iPhones for the fact that they just do not need one, or need a device that does that number of things. These people all seem to have Nokia N95, 97s, or the E71s and such. They can facebook, text and make calls. That is all they need.
That is why i think there are still large numbers of Symbian users out there.

you've got to be kidding
symbian is probably the most versatile mobile platform out there - any power user that knows their shit would get symbian over iphone any day

only reason i don't like symbian in its current form is the bad ui... well, and how much of a bitch it is to code to
hopefully those two things will be improved upon with s^3 and/or s^4

 

[Kelmar]

you've got to be kidding
symbian is probably the most versatile mobile platform out there - any power user that knows their shit would get symbian over iphone any day

only reason i don't like symbian in its current form is the bad ui... well, and how much of a bitch it is to code to
hopefully those two things will be improved upon with s^3 and/or s^4

I could not agree with this more!!!