Are their any defy that runs on the umts 850 1900 mhz band?General

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  1. darklide

    darklide Well-Known Member

    Are their any defy that runs on the umts 850 1900 mhz band?

  2. shalemail

    shalemail Well-Known Member Contributor

    From the Moto website -
    WCDMA 900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 7.2 Mbps (Category 7/8), EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12, HSUPA 2.0 Mbps
    Network and/or SIM card dependent feature, not available in all areas. Airtime, data charges, and/or additional charges may apply. Wireless email functionality requires an email account with wireless server capabilities

    Hope this helps.
    (currently running a Defy on AT&T with full functionality. AND it's not counted as or detected as a smart phone on their network. )
  3. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

  4. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    no you are not. unless you are seeing the H symbol then you are not. YES thats right. this phone can run on AT&T's HSDPA network if reprogrammed. I know, I've done mine and know the DEFY very well. This phone doesnt even get that on t-mobiles network.
  5. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member


    What are you trying to say?

    There is no "reprogramming" required for the Defy to work on AT&T's UMTS network, aside from entering the "SIM unlock code", and having an AT&T SIM and data plan ($10/mo MediaNet will suffice). FWIW, I'm regularly achieving 3Mbs-5Mbs dl speeds on AT&T with the Defy.

  6. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    Listen, because you dont know how to achieve this does not mean its not possible. I have a defy and have done it. As soon as I can take pictures and show you I will post it.

    AT&T and T-mobile uses different bands. period. If you didnt know this, then I suggest you do some research. And just because I am a new member does not mean I did not do what I said. If you read earlier, I said I got my defy on AT&T's HSDPA network and I have the H symbol on my defy to prove it.
  7. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

    What are you talking about? I'm only asking you to clearly explain yourself, as your post is contradictory.

    You quoted shalemail and "I guess" you were trying to tell them that they "were not" (?) on AT&T's UMTS, but shalemail's post was confirmation that shalemail "is" on AT&T's UMTS network because of my thread about it from last year.

    Now you are telling "me" that "I don't know how to get on AT&T's UMTS network with the Defy", when the pic is of "my Defy on AT&T's UMTS network"?

    Did you not understand, that I understand that it works, from "my thread from November"? Click here as it seems that you have not yet already done so:

    I know that AT&T and T-Mo use different bands...I have multiple phones on both providers. No one said you don't know what you are talking about, I was stating that "I don't know what you are trying to state". I clearly state in post #3 of this thread that the Defy will work on AT&T's UMTS does this contradict you?
  8. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    ok lets clarify. I never said the word UMTS in any post. When i said NO, I was talking about "full functionality" and meant to say that the phone can reach yet another level that most of you are unaware of.
  9. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

    Ok, but the OP's inquiry was about "UMTS".

    "Full functionality", from shalemail's post was about having data/text/calls/etc, full smartphone functionality, on AT&T's 3G network...yet is only billed as a "standard phone".

    What "other level" are you referring to, given that HSDPA, or rather "H" as you stated, is part of UMTS? If you are referring to H+, or speeds above 14.4Mbs, then it is still UMTS technology.
  10. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    does your phone show that it is connected to HSDPA ? NO
    does your phone show the H symbol instead of 3G? NO
  11. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    3G just means regular UMTS 3G data
    H means that it is is using HSPA, a faster protocol for UMTS 3G.
  12. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

  13. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

    - HSPA is a "protocol" within the "standard" of UMTS.

    - HSPA starts at 1.2Mbs.

    - I'm getting 3-5Mbs on AT&T's UMTS network.

    What's your point? Seriously, I genuinely do not understand how having H vs. UMTS is making the Defy less functional, or "not work" on AT&T? We all agree that the "T-Mobile branded Defy" has "connectivity and functionality" on AT&T's "high speed" network. For all intents and purposes, any data rates above 1Mbs are gravy, given that the $10/mo. AT&T data will allow access for the Defy. The only limiting factor is that the Defy most likely does not have the hardware for H+...but again, nobody here was asking about H/H+. Having H vs. UMTS is a moot point as far as "functionality"...especially if you are not near a tower that will support the data rate.
  14. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    dude, i am getting it. I dont see why you are so defensive when hsdpa is a faster protocol of 3G. it is considered 3.5G that why the H shows up. I never mentioned H+ either. i know the difference. The defy can indeed step up to this speed I know i have done it and noticed the change right away. Because you have not figured out how to do it doe snot mean you have to be so damned arrogant.
  15. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

    Actually, you are not getting it...I never posted any doubt that HSPA was "possible" on AT&T's network with the Defy, I only stated that this thread was not about HSPA, yet you continue to think that I am contradicting your configuration. This is not the case. FWIW, I get the 3.5G symbol on all my Nokia phones on both AT&T and T-Mo. But again, I was simply trying to clarify terms in that HSPA is a "protocol" within the UMTS technology. UMTS does not have a bitrate in and of itself, as it has a theoretical limit of 45Mbs. Its the different protocols within (e.g. H/H+) which allow it to achieve those speeds.

    You assume much, and assumed incorrectly. I never tried to configure "H" on my defy, as it is mainly dependent on what is configured on the closest tower. I only wanted to get connectivity above Edge on a carrier other than T-Mo (i.e. 3G technology). Anything else is a bonus. Going forward, try not to confuse arrogance with a "request for information". The "?" were not used to denote irrefutable statements of fact, only for you to provide clarification of your initial statements, because they were not entirely clear to me.

    Congrats on your "H" status on AT&T's network. My Defy changes from HSPA to UMTS when I go into my basement on T-Mo.
  16. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    Listen, since you obviously have an huge ego which noone cares I will say this. My comment was never to you to begin with and like I said I was only pointing out to the other user that their full potential can go a little bit further but you obviously need to let the world know that you think you know it all. News flash son, their is always someone out there that knows more than you and me for that matter.

    And by the way, no one cares about your nokia phones as this thread was talking about the DEFY by motorola which I made my reply to about. So get off your high horse son.

    And your picture of the DEFY only shows umts and you obviously have not achieved 3.5G or "H" as the phone shows yet I have....yea yea I know you mentioned your nokia but noone was ever talking about that to begin with or at least I never mentioned the word nokia until now.
  17. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    and noone cares if you never tried to configure the next level of 3G or"H", thats your problem. I simply posted that I have and you got stupid over it. get over your self.
  18. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

  19. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    exactly. people like you will always need a glass of haterade because you think you know it all. good day to you son.
  20. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    And here is the T-mobile de-branded Motorola DEFY running on AT&T's HSPA network, after an easy mod ofcourse. An out of the box t-mobile defy cannot do this on AT&T. The service provider I am using on this phone is with H2Owirelessnow*com but they use AT&T's service. I also used my AT&T sim card from my other phone and get the exact same results....HSPA on AT&T's network.

  21. mcrollin420

    mcrollin420 New Member

    Actually with cyanogen mod 7 and t-mobile baseband 9.x.x.6 i have an "h" on t-mobile with a locked but rooted defy oh yea and running gingerbread smoothly "lovin IT"
  22. pcdocta

    pcdocta Member

    we were talking about 850/1900 mhz band. only ATT in the USA uses that. T-mobile is using 850/1700 band. but cool anyway because a stock t-mobile defy only shows 3G.. nice..
  23. colnago

    colnago Well-Known Member

    Actually, T-Mobile (USA) is using 1700/1900/2100 (1700/2100 for UMTS)

    T-Mobile Support Community: Will my phone work while roaming internationally?

    T-Mobile Support Community: Purchasing a SIM Card

    FWIW, my AT&T Motorola Q only supports 850/1900 3G...only gets "Edge/GSM" on T-Mobile network.

    It looks like the new 42Mbps T-Mobile Amaze supports UMTS on 850 band like the Defy:

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    • Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100);UMTS: Band V (850)
  24. elc2414

    elc2414 Member

    I know this is an old thread, but there is currently (as of the date of this post) a Defy on eBay that the seller says will work on the AT&T 3G network. My guess is it is a Latin American version that runs on the 850 / 2100 band, judging from the description that says it has "English & Spanish"???? I contacted the seller and asked him if I bought one and it did not work on the AT&T 3G network if he would allow a return without the normal restocking fees, etc., and he said yes. I ordered one and am now waiting to get it to see if it will actually work on AT&T 3G. Probably will have to manually configure the APN, but that's easy enough...........
  25. elc2414

    elc2414 Member

    Sorry I couldn't post the link to eBay if anyone is interested in checking it out, but since I'm new here I'm not allowed to post links. So, here is the item number so you can do a search on eBay for it: 170702187069.

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