Holding power button in until reboot?General

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  1. funkylogik

    funkylogik share the love peeps ;) VIP Member

    What does it actualy do?
    Ive heared it called a "soft reset".. is that right?
    Ive found it cures a few things. Also it seems to brush out the cobwebs.
    I was gettin slow benchmarks today til i did it.
    What i want ist a techy (not too techy for a dumdum like me) explanation for what its doing....... is it just a reboot??

  2. funkylogik

    funkylogik share the love peeps ;) VIP Member

    Il try a *cringe* google search.... :)
    These forums are better than google, though imo...
  3. funkylogik

    funkylogik share the love peeps ;) VIP Member

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  4. Frisco

    Frisco =Luceat Lux Vestra= VIP Member

    Interesting that you'd mention the prefixes. Staff is often changing them, usually finding the "tip" prefix used by members who are seeking a tip, because seeking a tip is a need for the "support" prefix, in most cases. A high percentage of threads marked "tips" have to be changed to "support" for that reason.

    In this case, it is a close call between "support" and "general," as the OP's query is sort of ... well, general rather than a need for actual support of an issue with the device.

    Once in a blue moon we'll change "support" to "tips" if the OP him or herself comes up with the solution, solves the issue right away, or the thread turns into an ongoing tip thread about that issue. Not very often, though. Plus there is a sticky "tips" area above some device areas now. ;)
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  5. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    Yeah "tip" on support threads does annoy me, but ah well...

    In regards to holding the power button, its a reboot. Same as pressing power > restart.

    They do call a reboot a "soft reset" and they call a factory reset a "hard reset". I don't really like this phrasing though. In IT a soft reboot for me would be using the software menus (such as start > shutdown on Windows) and a hard reboot would be forcing the machine to shut down with the power button or removing the power source.

    Ah well, these phone kids must have their own language eh. Rather than using these "Soft" and "hard" reset terms which actually dont make much sense, I would prefer to say "Reboot your phone" or "Factory reset your phone" as theres no way to misunderstand that.
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  6. funkylogik

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    Lol thanx for fixing it Frisco mate, i did press tip by mistake :thumbup:

    @SU so on android, its simply a reboot?
    What ive read in google it seems like a different thing frm a simple reboot but doesnt go into a techy enough detail that i crave lol....
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  7. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    the difference is how its initiated. If the GUI is frozen, you cant go power > restart. So long pressing power will allow a forced restart.

    A restart is a restart. Its no different. The only time its different is when the battery is removed.
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  8. funkylogik

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    so what does a battery removal do bud? And do u mean a battery pull or while the phone is powered off?

    Today i was gettin terrible quadrant results (i just use it to check general health of my phone in an easy way) after the hold in power button thing it was flying again... :beer:

    EDIT and quadrant usualy gives higher scores when ram is like <100mb free ram
  9. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    removing power source clears RAM. Same with a computer. Sometimes you need a battery pull (doesnt matter if its on or off at the time) to clear things out.

    Yes, if your phone has bad quadrant scores, a reboot may cure that.
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  10. funkylogik

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    Thanks mate. When the phone is off. What difference does removing the power make (i thought lynux couldnt do things that dumb phones can do while powered off like trigger an alarm)
    Tell me to shut up if i should be googling this lol.
    Ur one of my most respected geeks (in a good way) on here so maybe i just love to test lol.
    As i said though, just say "shut it" when im wasting your time bro :)
  11. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    Any hardware device could be manufactured to "turn on" when an alarm is triggering if it wanted to. It would involve either not shutting down the OS (android in this case) fully (standby mode) or running another OS when in the "shutdown" mode. Its not really a useful feature though. Most people turn off their phone to ensure it cannot do anything.

    Imagine you're hiding in a cupboard, from an intruder with a big knife who wants to kill you. You turn your phone off to prevent anything giving you away, then..... Your phone turns on and plays alarm. You're dead. Not good.

    Removing power source from a computer or phone has no significance attached to the OS it runs. Its a simple hardware thing. Flash memory, such as memory cards permanently store data. For example, if you save a file to an SD card, take it out of your phone and put it in the computer, the file is still there. RAM is different. If you remove all power from RAM, any data stored on it is wiped.

    So if you have some corrupt data in RAM or some other issues, if you remove the battery from a phone or the power chord from a desktop computer, then reconnect it 30 seconds later, You get a clean boot, rather than a reboot where RAM isn't necessarily cleared.
  12. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You VIP Member

    I remember the "cold reboot" days... None of this techy hard and soft stuff...
  13. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    As far as I am concerned, it's still those days now :)
  14. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You VIP Member

    Intended as a techy reference only. Interpretation is down to user (error)

    Remember them SCSI drive swaps making you hot?
  15. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    Yes I remember the days when a Hot swap was swapping a drive out and not trading victoria's secret collectors cards...
  16. funkylogik

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    Ok im having nightmares now thanks "mate" lol :p
    I suppose, it does remember time, is there a lil rechargeable battery or what?
    P.s was it you i read suggesting pushing power button without battery or charger in to clean something out man?
    Like 5yrs ago a HP laptop tech guy on the phone suggested that to my gf at the time n i hung up lol......
  17. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You VIP Member

    And you didn't have to power down the PC!


    That uses up and residual electrical charge held in any circuitry so that the phone is completely 'clean' of all power.
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  18. funkylogik

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    See, id believe that in an electrical appliance (like shorting live and earth on an oldskool tv etc to empty capacitors thatd blow u across the room) lol but in an electronic device, my gutt instinct is it would do nothing.
    Im usualy wrong :)
  19. davoid

    davoid Well-Known Member

    I used to have a Blackberry Curve and I remember that on the Crackberry forums, a Battery Pull was the universal recommended solution to nearly every problem with the phone lol.

    Quite a few of the senior members used to swear by a daily Battery Pull to sort out things like memory leak etc. But I always thought it was a design flaw if you had to resort to such an inelegant solution.
  20. SUroot

    SUroot Well-Known Member Developer

    Yes I used to have a bold 9000. That ws always my first suggestion to anything. There was an app called "Quick pull" which simulated the same thing, but obviously not quite as good.

    As a blackberry administrator at work, I always recommend that first too.

    Its a bit annoying that you don't know somethings not working until you do a battery pull and things start working.

    It is a sign of poor software, the need to do a battery pull. However, I still do one regularly (once a week or so). ...Even on my laptop.
  21. funkylogik

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    My gf on a newish bb curve has to battery pull on average every 2nd day.
    I dont remember doin one on my s3 but il admit i did a few on my heavily overclocked Zte (like over 55
  22. davoid

    davoid Well-Known Member

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  23. XplosiV

    XplosiV Master X is Watching You VIP Member

    Na, he wanted a pocket sized egg fryer.
  24. funkylogik

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    Lol the Zte Blade (orange sanfrancisco) was a crazy phone mate :)
    Could be carrier unlocked, rooted n rom'd in like 10mins out the box and performing like a phone 3times its price in 10-20mins without a computer.
    Stupidest move Orange (UK carrier) ever did lol.
    Legend has it, ZTE leaked the carrier unlock algorhythm :)
    I still have one but the screen is like 3.5" n looks strange :)
  25. dannymur

    dannymur Well-Known Member

    But he shows this pic:


    Then he says this......


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