Obama or McCain?

[punkzanyj]

I voted for Obama this morning because his campaign has been about hope, optimism. The chant "Yes We Can" says it all.

McCain, in the past few weeks especially, has been about fear....of Obama. Calling him all these sensationalist names -- Terrorist sympathizer, marxist, socialist, muslim. None of them true. All of them designed to appeal to fear. It's all about "vote for me because the other guy is scary". Not what McCain can do, but how scary Obama is.
And with Palin being the divider calling certain parts of the country "real America" it doesn't help. Obama, on the other hand, has said there's no red America, no blue America, it's all America.

Fear and cynicism got Bush elected to his second term. Living in fear and voting for fear hasn't helped us. I'm sick of fear. To me, America isn't about fear, it's about hope.

As long as we live in fear, as long as we make decisions based on fear, then the terrorists have already won. Michelle Bachman wants to bring back McCarthyism, for crying out loud! Look at us, they won't have to ever attack us again, we'll just tear the country apart from within. We'll just keep accusing each other of being terrorist sympathizers, keep attacking each other as UNAmerican, and the terrorists won't have to lift a finger. They'll just sit back and watch it happen. All because of Fear.

And that's why I voted for Obama today. We need change. We need hope.

 

[nightshiftc]

Obama.

 

[nightshiftc]

They're both liars. However, I'll always side with someone who supports people bringing themselves up and not having the government hold their hand through life. Specifically though, I feel like I know what I'm getting with McCain, the good and the bad. I do not feel confident saying the same about Obama. I'm tired of hearing McCain accuse Obama of outright socialism and I'm tired of hearing Obama accuse McCain of being George Bush. Which has never made much sense to me to be honest. McCain and Bush had one of the most bitter primary races I've been alive for. And I don't know how many people here saw when McCain had all but sewn up the nomination and it was time for Bush to do his Republican duty and endorse McCain, but that was one of the most awkward moments I've ever seen live. McCain had the fake smile running at 120% and Bush was trying to be as vague as possible when talking about why McCain would be a good President. They do not like each other one bit. Also, anyone who pals around with Joe Lieberman is probably not welcome at the Bush Family Thanksgiving Dinner.

So I wrote in Kinky Friedman.

Obama did bring himself up, while McCain - cheated on his disfigured wife to marry rich so he could get the campaign money he needed to become a politician. That alone says much about the candidates. I just wish Ron Paul would have been an option.

 

[eosrider]

C. None of the above?

how about

D. Android!

only thing i am even going to vote on is Prop 8 in cali.

the same sex marriage ban.

for which i am proudly voting no, not because im *** and want to get married (again), but its just plain unconstitutional to even be able to hold a vote on the matter.

.02 given

 

[nightshiftc]

McCain has a history. Obama has hope and change. It would be nice if Obama could pitch something other than "hope" like perhaps something he's accomplished. I hope that a million dollars shows up in my bed in the morning. But in reality .... I'll be in my office an hour later.

Besides ... wasn't Obama pitching change a year before the market tanked? Looks like he got what he asked for early. But for all of you inclined to vote for him ... if he wins ... expect more change on top of the market corrections. Change ... means something different that you have right now. Take a real good look around.....because I have a feeling he's right ... he's going to make some changes .... god help us if he wins.

Well he accomplished being an outstanding student in Harvard, becoming the first AA president of the Harvard Law Review - I guess those are small feats. John McCain managed to do not so well in the academy, fly his plane low enough to get shot down by ground fire, stifle investigations into the S&L and deregulate big business so that they could let their greed run rampant, great resume.

Here is another thing he accomplished - warning that these subprime loans were a problem, while McCain said the "fundamentals of our economy are strong."

If you want more info here is a good start - http://wizbangblue.com/2008/01/13/o...lishments-and-working-with-the-other-side.php

 

[Phases]

I'm voting for Phases!!!

Spoiler

If you vote for me, all of your wildest dreams will come true.

 

[cableguynoe]

Just for the record, i voted for phases...

 

[drdoom]

So how does everyone feel about their choice now?

 

[Frisco]

So how does everyone feel about their choice now?

I asked one of my rather liberal minded co-workers that question not long ago. Her answer flabbergasted me: "Well, at least we got the black president thing over with."

 

[cds0699]

I asked one of my rather liberal minded co-workers that question not long ago. Her answer flabbergasted me: "Well, at least we got the black president thing over with."

Wow.

I don't care what race, or gender our president is. What I care about is the way they deal with the issues and run the country. We need a real leader that cares about the country as a whole.

 

[Frisco]

I see them both "caring" about the country, but they see the country as different things, from different points of view, I think.

Obama seems to see it as some sort of machine that needs to be at the shop for a while to get fixed and throwing a lot of money at it will fix it. McCain sees it as a population of working people and businesses that need to get what they work hard for.

That's been my take on those two, and I get a lot of flack for it from both sides.

 

[cds0699]

I just don't like the Obama administration and the way they've handled a lot of the issues at all. I am looking forward to the 2012 election.

 

[Frisco]

I just don't like the Obama administration and the way they've handled a lot of the issues at all. I am looking forward to the 2012 election.

Got any viable candidates in mind yet?

 

[NYCHitman1]

I'm not very big on politics, but I think we're screwed regardless of who is in office next.

 

[cds0699]

Got any viable candidates in mind yet?

Right now I'm looking at Michelle Bachmann and Newt Gingrich (researching their views, etc)... but I have only just begun to look into it, so I will be watching it a lot.

 

[cableguynoe]

Her answer flabbergasted me: "Well, at least we got the black president thing over with."

Right now I'm looking at Michelle Bachmann .

Then we'll have that "woman president" thing over with

 

[Frisco]

I've been following Herman Cain more than anyone else lately.

Here's a pretty good site with run downs on likelies:

2012 Presidential Candidates

 

[cds0699]

Then we'll have that "woman president" thing over with

I had a feeling this one was coming

I've been following Herman Cain more than anyone else lately.

Here's a pretty good site with run downs on likelies:

2012 Presidential Candidates

Thanks, I'll take a look. At this point I'll consider everyone until I research it more and narrow things down.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I'm not very big on politics, but I think we're screwed regardless of who is in office next.

That's kind of my view. I'm 30 and have not seen a politician, local or national, to come along in my lifetime that has honestly excited me. They all seem to be fake, phony and just after power.

 

[Frisco]

Then we'll have that "woman president" thing over with

We've already had a woman president; the 4th president:

 

[chimphappyhour]

I think we're screwed regardless of who is in office next.

Ditto. I'll third or fourth or whatever this. I don't think either side is the answer. Just look at what is happening now. The parties are polarizing more and more. Even after being given one reason for the US credit downgrading being that the political bickering was a major risk to getting anything done and that further downgrades were possible, what did the two sides do? Yeah, that's right, more bickering.

In all my years of voting, the only candidate that got me excited was Ross Perot. He wasn't afraid to be very upfront about what had to happen to get the country on track. (I think he has been one of the very few candidates to say, Well heck yes, I'm going to tax everyone. It's going to hurt but trust me, it'll be worth it in the end. Not exactly his words but that was his general message.) It didn't hurt that he did have a bit of a crazy streak in him too. Late night comedy can always use a helping hand.

It should be noted that at the start of this recent economic downturn, the news outlets asked Perot how it could be fixed. He quite frankly said that in 1992, it could be fixed but the way things are now.. it can't.

 

[Frisco]

I liked Perot as well.

One thing his failed campaign did prove to me, though: money does not always buy the White House. I thought for sure he'd purchase enough constituents, electoral college votes, etc to at least come in second.

 

[TheSentinel]

Where's the Bill Clinton for life option? At least with Hillary, Bill would come along too.

 

[Steven58]

Anyone mind if I move this to POLITICS!!!!

 

[OutofDate1980]

I'm sure it's because McCain's voting record sides with Bush's policy choices 91% of the time.

I switched my registration to republican from libertarian to vote in the primary for Ron Paul, but I'm backing Obama 100% now.

I hate high taxes, I hate the very idea of socialism, but I hate lying, stupidity, and going against your principals to kiss ass even more.

Obama strikes me as extremely intelligent and doesn't seem to be afraid to defend what he stands for. Even if I find myself completely against things he does as president later, I can at least assume he's doing them because he believes in them, rather than because someone like Keating wants him to.

Hamilton (a Federalist) supported Thomas Jefferson's over Aaron Burr, both of the Democratic-Republican Party in the House of Representatives selection of the President after neither received a majority in the Electoral college. Hamilton disagreed with Jefferson on most issues while Hamilton & Burr were more aligned on the issues, but felt Jefferson had principles, while Burr had none.

Later on Burr killed Hamilton in a duel.