President Ryan


  1. jhtalisman

    jhtalisman Well-Known Member Contributor

    The decision to close that plant wasn't made until 4 months after that speech. Maybe reading it would help. Seems like the government under the previous administration didn't do it's job. Of course they were too busy squeezing every last nickel from the American taxpayers to line their wealthy friends pockets.
  2. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    Im one of those center slightly right people and I hate most of what these guys are about.

    But im very unhappy with Obama as well, half dozen of one 6 of the other. Like getting the choice of where to be shot.

    Apathy is going to be the end of us all.
  3. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    This is why I don't vote for President. I can't recall a single candidate in my lifetime I actually liked. Maybe Reagan, but I was a little kid at the time. What do kids know?
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  4. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    I feel the same way but can't jump on the soapbox about voter turn out if I don't vote so I usually write in. I actually liked what Nadar was selling as a Green so was the only clear conscience vote Ive cast for some one on the ballot.

    Last time I voted for Obama because write ins are like pleading no contest and I hoped he would deliver on some of his promises. A write in would have been a defacto vote for McCain/Palin so I voted against them.

    To bad Bushco had a fire sale right before he took office. He might have done some good.
  5. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I'll vote, just not for President. There are local weasels on the ballot as well and those guys have a far greater potential to mess with my life than anyone on Pennsylvania avenue does. I vote on those guys. I leave the President blank.
  6. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    Yet more proof of Romney just telling people what they want to hear:

    Factchecker: Romney’s '12 million jobs' promise | The Washington Post

    So basically Romney and Ryan are only promising that they'll create the jobs we're already on track to see thanks to Obama's policies. Classy: Obama does the heavy lifting, Romney and Ryan claim all the glory. This ranks right up there with the $780 billion Medicare cut thing.

    The article also points out that Romney's so-called pledge "amounts to an average of 250,000 jobs a month, a far cry from the 500,000 jobs a month that Romney claimed in May would be created in a 'normal recovery.'" However, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the U.S. economy has come close to or exceeded adding 500,000 jobs in one month only 14 times in the past 65 years - just under 2 percent.

    This tells us three things: 1) Romney has no idea what sustainable job growth is supposed to look like; 2) He took the excuse to slam Obama for something that was totally untenable; and 3) His own "plan" (really Obama's plan) wouldn't even live up to the expectations that he listed.
  7. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

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  8. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    Aug. 30: Remember the Economy? - Five Thirty Eight - NYTimes.com

    The NYT polling and analysis blog Five Thirty Eight looks at nationwide polls and breaking economic data each day and updates projections and forecasts for the election. What's particularly interesting is that while most candidates receive a boost in ratings around the time of their party's convention (called "a convention bounce"), Romney's chances of winning the election have actually shrunk since the start of the RNC. From the link, click "Now-cast" on the right side; on August 22, Obama and Romney were at their lowest and highest respective chances of winning the election since data collection began - Obama at 62.6 and Romney at 37.4. Yesterday's numbers have Obama at 72.6 and Romney at 27.4.
  9. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Same half truth that politicians always tell. His story is true. He just neglects his part of it. Same with his story about why the credit rating was downgraded. It was absolutely the fault of Obama and the Democrats. He neglected to mention the fact that it was also the fault of the Republicans as well.
  10. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    His part was blocking the commission's proposals from even getting to Obama. I think that's a little worse than a half truth.
  11. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Ryan also put forth a plan though that Obama blocked.
  12. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    But then his story isn't true. Ryan's plan was not the plan approved by the majority of the Bowles-Simpson Commission.
  13. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Problem is, the right has made opposition to Obama and paying taxes into a religion.
  14. jefboyardee

    jefboyardee Well-Known Member

    A true 21st-century American...
  15. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Half truths are lying, please stop excusing this behavior. An BS on the downgrade of the debt, it was the Republicans, which is well documented.

    Half-truth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The purpose and or consequence of a half truth is to make something that is really only a belief appear to be knowledge, or a truthful statement to represent the whole truth, or possibly lead to a false conclusion. According to the justified true belief theory of knowledge, in order to know that a given proposition is true, one must not only believe in the relevant true proposition, but one must also have a good reason for doing so. A half truth deceives the recipient by presenting something believable and using those aspects of the statement that can be shown to be true as good reason to believe the statement is true in its entirety, or that the statement represents the whole truth. A person deceived by a half truth considers the proposition to be knowledge and acts accordingly.
  16. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    The downgrade occurred because Republicans weren't trusted by rating agencies to do what's necessary.
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Standard and Poors blamed both parties so pointing the finger at just one of them is ridiculous.

    http://www.standardandpoors.com/ser...lobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8

    They said,

    And

    So the people who actually downgraded the rating blamed both parties.
  18. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    And the left has made opposition to Romney and punishing the rich into a religion.
  19. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Opposition to Romney has been just typical politics and hasn't been particularly heinous. Is asking the rich to pay slightly more in taxes really such a punishment? Didn't seem to hurt them under Clinton, and that's at the max of what's been proposed. Cry me a river. Poor rich people can't catch a break. Not all Democrats are poor bastards either, you know.
  20. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Oppose Obama = religious war
    Oppose Romney = typical politics

    Spin much?
  21. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call the Republican opposition to Obama a "religion," but their desperate desire to get him out of office has been thoroughly documented; the meetings where they resolve to oppose him at any cost, and the subsequent execution of the plan where they blocked him on everything possible by any means - for example, more filibusters have been used in this session of Congress than in all the ones before combined.

    Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night of Inauguration | The Huffington Post

    Daily Kos: Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz
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  22. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    Been catching up on The Newsroom. Love to here fellow Centerist bash both left and right fringes.

    One segment made me ask why we didn't hear from Ryan a big theme Rush would't shut up about. The topic is still popular with under educated far right idiots on the net
    But no canidate I've heard mentions it. It points out the true agenda of the right is to beat Obama not to servee our interests like they are being paid t.
    Here's the clip on youtube.

    YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

    And some equal bashing of bothe extremes just because I'm annoyed with all the ultra partisan posturing in the thread. Proof its possible both sides are wrong.
    Please watch this and contemplate its meaning for just a few minutes. Is a dose of reality worth 10 minutes of your day?

    YouTube - TTAT THE NEWSROOM #5 - Obama vs. Gun Laws
  23. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    *..big theme from 08...
  24. RazorSharp

    RazorSharp Well-Known Member

    PH8AL, you know you can edit your posts, right? You don't need to post another with an asterisk correction.
  25. PH8AL

    PH8AL Well-Known Member

    Actually no I can't for an undetermined amount of time.
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