I have a question, why is ebay always full of newly released phones. There is already abunch of TB for sale. Also why would anyone pay more than retail sand not get the warranty that comes from buying from the store. I see people paying already upto 575. 25 more and you buy it new at the store with warranty. All I know if I bought one outright I probably would pay more than 450. You always take a risks of the phone being bad and then no way to get it fixed u.der warranty.