Help best way of using my Desire with my hifi?

[davo26]

hi

id like to get rid of my ipod, and use my desire to listen to music now. reservations ive got are really only the battery life and sound quality. could you advise me on this please?

at present ive got an ipod dock going through my hifi amp which works great. ive never really got the sync type stuff with ipods and prefer drag and drop onto my phone, plus id like to feel im getting my moneys worth out of it

so.........only way i can think of is 3.5 jack from phone to aux on amp, and connect charger to phone to keep battery charged up. itd be nice if there was a way of wirelessly listening to the music but i dont think thats possible is it? and if not, is there a dock at all, that i can stick the phone into, sort of the same as a speakerless ipod dock, just so that it looks a bit better than having to connect my charger?

if not id be happy with what ive suggested, and will do that if theres nothing better i can do. its only mp3s id be listening to, so will the sound quality be as good as the ipod too?

thanks

 

[sitlet]

only way i can think of is 3.5 jack from phone to aux on amp,

Correct. Probably a 3.5mm to rca cable, depending on your stereo.

itd be nice if there was a way of wirelessly listening to the music but i dont think thats possible is it?

I believe there are apps to stream music from your phone to your computer. Then if your computer was hooked up to your stereo, that would play the music instead of directly out of the phone.

and if not, is there a dock at all, that i can stick the phone into

I dont think there are any docks for that phone.

 

[spile]

I think a better solution would be to use your Android as a controller (eg Syncdroid - free app) and a streamer like Squeezebox Touch.
If you are concerned about quality then your music format should be lossless ie FLAC.
If you want a FLAC player on Android then try "Player" a free app

 

[davo26]

I think a better solution would be to use your Android as a controller (eg Syncdroid - free app) and a streamer like Squeezebox Touch.
If you are concerned about quality then your music format should be lossless ie FLAC.
If you want a FLAC player on Android then try "Player" a free app

hmmmm interesting. how would that little lot work? is the music on my desire, not a pc? im sort of thinking you mean id save my music to desire, then use an app to send this music streamed to hifi?
if so, ive heard that yes, streaming loses quality, but if its a bog standard mp3 thats already compromised quality, would it get even worse?
you say save as FLAC. are we now talking big file sizes, so not as much music on sd card?

thanks a lot for the suggestion.

 

[Rastaman-FB]

you can do it wirelessly with good results
you can get a bluetooth clip and use that to have the 3.5mm output to rca on the hifi
you then connect the clip via bluetooth and play media over it

it works well, i got the idea as samsung hifis have bluetooth and a few car stereos too. desire works well with them.

jabra do one called clipper but there are some cheaper alternatives
Jabra Clipper Bluetooth Stereo Headset: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

as a media player on the device use poweramp. its awesome

 

[davo26]

you can do it wirelessly with good results
you can get a bluetooth clip and use that to have the 3.5mm output to rca on the hifi
you then connect the clip via bluetooth and play media over it

it works well, i got the idea as samsung hifis have bluetooth and a few car stereos too. desire works well with them.

jabra do one called clipper but there are some cheaper alternatives
Jabra Clipper Bluetooth Stereo Headset: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

as a media player on the device use poweramp. its awesome

hmmm got to admit i dont even know what that jabra thing is!! headset? to be honest, if it is, thats not what im after. youve got me imagining a bluetooth thingy that plugs into aux (dunno what rca is) on hifi and an app on my phone sends my phone music to the 'thingy' and plays through hifi speakers. that sound about right?

my reservations are sound quality really because a few years ago i bought a bluetooth receiver for my car stereo and it was rubbish. have things moved on so much now that bluetooth oesnt lose any quality over wired?

thanks a lot

 

[Rastaman-FB]

hmmm got to admit i dont even know what that jabra thing is!! headset? to be honest, if it is, thats not what im after. youve got me imagining a bluetooth thingy that plugs into aux (dunno what rca is) on hifi and an app on my phone sends my phone music to the 'thingy' and plays through hifi speakers. that sound about right?

my reservations are sound quality really because a few years ago i bought a bluetooth receiver for my car stereo and it was rubbish. have things moved on so much now that bluetooth oesnt lose any quality over wired?

thanks a lot

that jabra thing isnt a headset, it lets you plug a headset into it and have wireless controlls to your phones music.
headsets are 3.5mm jacks the same as a 3.5mm to RCA.
quality imo is down to the hardware and cables you buy.

I havent got this myself, one of my mates have and it works and sounds good

If you are not wanting to use bluetooth then im not quite sure how you are going to wirelessly attach your device to your hifi unless you get a decent media streamer and the device wont play over wifi

 

[davo26]

that jabra thing isnt a headset, it lets you plug a headset into it and have wireless controlls to your phones music.
headsets are 3.5mm jacks the same as a 3.5mm to RCA.
quality imo is down to the hardware and cables you buy.

I havent got this myself, one of my mates have and it works and sounds good

If you are not wanting to use bluetooth then im not quite sure how you are going to wirelessly attach your device to your hifi unless you get a decent media streamer and the device wont play over wifi

sorry mate, youll have to bear with me, not very technically minded
by headset, i thought you meant earphones, sorry. so its sort of a dongle with a 3.5mm connection? and whats rca?

at present i got a lead going from aux on amp to a speakerless ipod dock. so ipod through hifi speakers.

would this headset/dongle plug into aux too? or if its rca, can you explain what rca is please? sorry to be a thickie

thanks

 

[SUroot]

Rca are the standard inputs on any half decent amp. If you have separates, cd, tv etc will all be connecting this way. Each input has a left and a right.

I had s cheap Bluetooth clip from China. Worked well for a year then I forgot about it. Now won't charge.

 

[davo26]

Rca are the standard inputs on any half decent amp. If you have separates, cd, tv etc will all be connecting this way. Each input has a left and a right.

I had s cheap Bluetooth clip from China. Worked well for a year then I forgot about it. Now won't charge.

thanks for that. yep i got separates. but where does the 'clipper' plug into? an rca double, or a 3.5 aux?

and am i right in what i imagine it is? clipper plugged into aux or rca on amp sending out a bluetooth signal. my phone loaded with music and bluetooth switched on. whatever apps installed on my phone. then choosing an album, pressing play, and my phone being used as a remote to play/pause/vol up/down/shuffle etc etc. sound comes through hifi speakers.

sounds perfect if it is, and the bluetooth is good/fast enough.

thanks a lot

 

[SUroot]

The clipper is essentially to plug headphones in then connect via Bluetooth to your phone. An adapter to convert none Bluetooth headphones into Bluetooth.

But it doesn't have to be headphones. It can be any 3.5 mm listening device. Eg a 3.5mm male mini jack to 2x Rca male to amp

 

[davo26]

The clipper is essentially to plug headphones in then connect via Bluetooth to your phone. An adapter to convert none Bluetooth headphones into Bluetooth.

But it doesn't have to be headphones. It can be any 3.5 mm listening device. Eg a 3.5mm male mini jack to 2x Rca male to amp

i think im starting to get the picture now, but might still be mistaken on some bits. okay, ill try again

a clipper is maybe designed to clip to your belt or something then, so you can use your normal headphones, plug em in, and listen to your phone music with bluetooth enabled on the phone. so basically youre plugged into a clipper rather than your phone with same music quality. (if this is the case i dont understand why youd do this as youve still got a cable plugged in to something, but thats another point altogether).

so instead of your headphones, you plug an amp into it and leave it by your hifi. connected with rca lead. so music comes through speakers? have i got it???

is that still the same clipper linked to earlier?

thanks

 

[Rastaman-FB]

yes thats right, there are cheaper alternatives to the clipper tho. it was just the one my mate uses.

people use them as its good for controlling music. alot of headphones do not have music control and the factory headphones are bad quality

anyway point is that it would be fit for your purposes

 

[davo26]

yes thats right, there are cheaper alternatives to the clipper tho. it was just the one my mate uses.

people use them as its good for controlling music. alot of headphones do not have music control and the factory headphones are bad quality

anyway point is that it would be fit for your purposes

thanks for that, i understand that a bit better now. as for cost, i dont mind paying the right money for quality, but how do you judge quality on these things? ok, mp3s have already lost some quality, so i just dont want to lose any more. ive got a good hifi set up, with mordaunt short speakers, so i just dont want some tinny intermittent sound from a cheap bit of kit.
if the clipper will make the music sound better than a cheaper alternative, id buy the clipper.

thanks

 

[Rastaman-FB]

i cant answer that, as long as the signal is strong then there shouldnt be any loss of quality over bluetooth as its a digital signal
the area of loss would be the decoder in the bluetooth clip itself and the cable to the hifi

 

[spile]

hmmmm interesting. how would that little lot work? is the music on my desire, not a pc? im sort of thinking you mean id save my music to desire, then use an app to send this music streamed to hifi?
if so, ive heard that yes, streaming loses quality, but if its a bog standard mp3 thats already compromised quality, would it get even worse?
you say save as FLAC. are we now talking big file sizes, so not as much music on sd card?

thanks a lot for the suggestion.

With a streamed solution, the idea is that music is stored on a server or PC. Quality is certainly not lost as long as you use a lossless format such as FLAC. FLAC files will be smaller than CD/WAV and contain tagged information but not be as small as MP

 

[Rastaman-FB]

hi fi has many meanings. hifi was used to name any music player that had a tape dec and radio between the 80's and late 90's
people use the word hi-hi instead of "generic music amplifier and speaker set"

FLAC is still a huge file container and imo not much better than a 320kbps mp3 or Ogg vorbis.

also the solution to get a media streamer imo is more expensive

 

[spile]

FLAC is still a huge file container and imo not much better than a 320kbps mp3 or Ogg vorbis.

As you say that is opinion, what is fact is that FLAC (unlike MP3) is a lossless format.

 

[Rastaman-FB]

As you say that is opinion, what is fact is that FLAC (unlike MP3) is a lossless format.

it is lossless correct, theres a reason why dj's and radio hosts use 320kbps mp3 as there is no audible difference.

apart from a larger file size theres not really much point other than it being lossless. if a file container is at studio quality compression then you are not really going to miss anything.

plus a squeezbox is

 

[Usta]

A good test here is to pick up some FLAC files, convert them to mp3 at 320kbps and see if you can feel the difference. Size matters, but audio quality difference is probably only noticeable with a very precise equipment.

 

[SUroot]

A good test here is to pick up some FLAC files, convert them to mp3 at 320kbps and see if you can feel the difference. Size matters, but audio quality difference is probably only noticeable with a very precise equipment.

Indeed. But with 320kbps, like Rasta said, it is compressed (Cut off) at the top and bottom end of the frequency spectrum, which is in-audible to the human ear.

On a top end hi fi (LINN or something), you may "feel" these frequencies and it is well known that certain frequencies in tracks are engineered to provoke certain emotions and feelings etc. However, on a desire, I doubt you'd get that

I tend to go for WAV on my home set up using my media PC, but for portable devices, even if I plug them into something, 320 is perfect for me.

 

[Rastaman-FB]

Indeed. But with 320kbps, like Rasta said, it is compressed (Cut off) at the top and bottom end of the frequency spectrum, which is in-audible to the human ear.

On a top end hi fi (LINN or something), you may "feel" these frequencies and it is well known that certain frequencies in tracks are engineered to provoke certain emotions and feelings etc. However, on a desire, I doubt you'd get that

I tend to go for WAV on my home set up using my media PC, but for portable devices, even if I plug them into something, 320 is perfect for me.

goes even further than that
as someone who used to produce and master audio (only a hobyist now)
these ranges are inaudible to the producer as well and most monitor/headphones including my beyer dynamics do not emit these frequencies meaning that if a hi end hifi/stereo picked it up you could potentially hear an undesirable sound as it unmonitored.
most dacs and systems do not emit these frequencies either especially as nearly all modern audio recording/master/production is normalised and compressed in such a way that these frequencies "need" to be avoided.

 

[davo26]

thanks for all this advice. I'm not really up on all the techy stuff such as flac and kbps etc, but am I right in assuming then that mp3 will sound good enough for me and be a smaller file size than flac?

thanks

 

[Rastaman-FB]

a 320kbps mp3 is about 7-13mb flac is about 15-30mb's or more for an average length tune.

youll have more compatibility with mp3 also

 

[SUroot]

goes even further than that
as someone who used to produce and master audio (only a hobyist now)
these ranges are inaudible to the producer as well and most monitor/headphones including my beyer dynamics do not emit these frequencies meaning that if a hi end hifi/stereo picked it up you could potentially hear an undesirable sound as it unmonitored.
most dacs and systems do not emit these frequencies either especially as nearly all modern audio recording/master/production is normalised and compressed in such a way that these frequencies "need" to be avoided.

I can't comment. When I did AS level music sound technology, we used 8 tracks