this thread is dedicated to the current known methods of rooting the thunderbolt.
i will do my best to change this post as these methods are modified or become outdated,and keep the best,current methods here.
after root see the Thunderbolt ROM list for a list of roms,kernels and mods
for some extra info and "how to"s of rooting see http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/353591-how-some-root-terminology.html
if youre reading this and considering rooting your device,a word of warning:
DO NOT ever attempt to accept an OTA while rooted and running a custom recovery.
an official OTA update needs the stock recovery to apply it. attempting to take an OTA without the stock recovery can result in a failed harmless attempt,a fixable bootloop,or even a brick. so please... dont do it.
and now,on with the info. enjoy
Revolutionary
a new method has just become available that does not wipe your data. this is 100% the best,and most reccomended way to root your thunderbolt at this time.
see this page for info:
Revolutionary
and a video from nate mills:
How to Root - HTC Thunderbolt (No Data Wipe! Newest & Fastest) - YouTube
special note: the minor OTA to firmware number 2.11.605.9 patches the exploit used by revolutionary. there are 2 options:
1)several users have reported being able to downgrade to 2.11.605.5 simply by running an RUU for that firmware,despite an s-on hboot wich would normally prevent you from going backwards in version numbers. PG05IMG and .EXE files for this version are available in post 4. (needs verified)
*please note that downgrading WILL wipe your personal data
2) achieve temp root via another means,then run revolutionary(this method follows)
feel free to do wichever is most comfortable
following is how to manually temp root and run revolutionary. i am happy to keep supporting this for those that wish to do it.
however,there is now a very good tool to do this for you:
http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/563593-all-in-one-htc-thunderbolt-tool.html
it will root and unroot your thunderbolt.
this is not my work,so please post questions about it in that thread,where we will do our best to help you
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how to manually root 2.11.605.9/2.11.605.19 WITHOUT downgrading
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how to unroot
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some other info
i will do my best to change this post as these methods are modified or become outdated,and keep the best,current methods here.
after root see the Thunderbolt ROM list for a list of roms,kernels and mods
for some extra info and "how to"s of rooting see http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/353591-how-some-root-terminology.html
if youre reading this and considering rooting your device,a word of warning:
DO NOT ever attempt to accept an OTA while rooted and running a custom recovery.
an official OTA update needs the stock recovery to apply it. attempting to take an OTA without the stock recovery can result in a failed harmless attempt,a fixable bootloop,or even a brick. so please... dont do it.
and now,on with the info. enjoy
Revolutionary
a new method has just become available that does not wipe your data. this is 100% the best,and most reccomended way to root your thunderbolt at this time.
see this page for info:
Revolutionary
and a video from nate mills:
How to Root - HTC Thunderbolt (No Data Wipe! Newest & Fastest) - YouTube
special note: the minor OTA to firmware number 2.11.605.9 patches the exploit used by revolutionary. there are 2 options:
1)several users have reported being able to downgrade to 2.11.605.5 simply by running an RUU for that firmware,despite an s-on hboot wich would normally prevent you from going backwards in version numbers. PG05IMG and .EXE files for this version are available in post 4. (needs verified)
*please note that downgrading WILL wipe your personal data
2) achieve temp root via another means,then run revolutionary(this method follows)
feel free to do wichever is most comfortable
following is how to manually temp root and run revolutionary. i am happy to keep supporting this for those that wish to do it.
however,there is now a very good tool to do this for you:
http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/563593-all-in-one-htc-thunderbolt-tool.html
it will root and unroot your thunderbolt.
this is not my work,so please post questions about it in that thread,where we will do our best to help you
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how to manually root 2.11.605.9/2.11.605.19 WITHOUT downgrading
as usual,i take no credit- i just put it together
credits:
-jelly doughnut for pointing me to this thread,and the Desire HD guys for this thread.
*make sure you thank jelly in this post
-sele and crew at HTC Thunderbolt Forum for what i like to call the "mini adb" concept
1)download miniadb_tbolt2.zip from here: mini-adb_tbolt2.zip
md5: ef01f616471673d3eeb71b4cac4b8118
download and install these modified htc drivers
2)set up adb:
-extract miniadb_tbolt2.zip and place the unzipped folder onto the root of your C\ drive on your PC
-open a command window. windows 7,click on start bubble,type "command" in the search box. a small black window should open up
3)download DHD Downgrade folder
4)open the DHDDowngrade.zip file,then the folder contained inside of it. transfer "Fre3vo" into the tbolt2 folder with adb/fastboot.(ignore the rest of the files in DHDDongrade,fre3vo is the only one you need)
5)in your command window: change to the tbolt2 directory by typing:
cd c:\mini-adb_tbolt2 (your promt should change to c:\mini-adb_tbolt2>)
*note that in the next few steps,anything in bold type is an adb command. you can directly copy from this window,and paste into your command window to eliminate typos.
6)enable usb debugging,plug in your phone via usb. select "charge only" mode.
7)make sure adb is seeing your phone:
adb devices (should return your serial number)
8) enter the commands from your link,one at a time,hit enter after each:
adb push fre3vo /data/local/tmp
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/fre3vo
adb shell /data/local/tmp/fre3vo -debug -start F0000000 -end FFFFFFFF
9)make sure it worked. when you see "exploiting device" then your command prompt again:
adb shell (if your prompt changes to a # youre good to go)
10)run revolutionary again. this time it will work really fast. you can have it install clockwork if you wish to use that recovery.
10)flash the superuser 3.07 files linked on revolutionarys info page
youre done
heres what youll see in the command window(red are my inputs,blue are just additional comments):
credits:
-jelly doughnut for pointing me to this thread,and the Desire HD guys for this thread.
*make sure you thank jelly in this post
-sele and crew at HTC Thunderbolt Forum for what i like to call the "mini adb" concept
1)download miniadb_tbolt2.zip from here: mini-adb_tbolt2.zip
md5: ef01f616471673d3eeb71b4cac4b8118
download and install these modified htc drivers
2)set up adb:
-extract miniadb_tbolt2.zip and place the unzipped folder onto the root of your C\ drive on your PC
-open a command window. windows 7,click on start bubble,type "command" in the search box. a small black window should open up
3)download DHD Downgrade folder
4)open the DHDDowngrade.zip file,then the folder contained inside of it. transfer "Fre3vo" into the tbolt2 folder with adb/fastboot.(ignore the rest of the files in DHDDongrade,fre3vo is the only one you need)
5)in your command window: change to the tbolt2 directory by typing:
cd c:\mini-adb_tbolt2 (your promt should change to c:\mini-adb_tbolt2>)
*note that in the next few steps,anything in bold type is an adb command. you can directly copy from this window,and paste into your command window to eliminate typos.
6)enable usb debugging,plug in your phone via usb. select "charge only" mode.
7)make sure adb is seeing your phone:
adb devices (should return your serial number)
8) enter the commands from your link,one at a time,hit enter after each:
adb push fre3vo /data/local/tmp
adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/fre3vo
adb shell /data/local/tmp/fre3vo -debug -start F0000000 -end FFFFFFFF
9)make sure it worked. when you see "exploiting device" then your command prompt again:
adb shell (if your prompt changes to a # youre good to go)
10)run revolutionary again. this time it will work really fast. you can have it install clockwork if you wish to use that recovery.
10)flash the superuser 3.07 files linked on revolutionarys info page
youre done
heres what youll see in the command window(red are my inputs,blue are just additional comments):
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Scott>[COLOR="Red"]cd c:\tbolt2[/COLOR]
c:\tbolt2>[COLOR="Red"]adb devices[/COLOR]
* daemon not running. starting it now *
* daemon started successfully *
List of devices attached
HTxxxxxx device
c:\tbolt2>[COLOR="red"]adb push fre3vo /data/local/tmp[/COLOR]
956 KB/s (9796 bytes in 0.010s)
c:\tbolt2>[COLOR="red"]adb shell chmod 777 /data/local/tmp/fre3vo[/COLOR]
c:\tbolt2>[COLOR="red"]adb shell /data/local/tmp/fre3vo -debug -start F0000000 -end FFFFFFFF[/COLOR]
fre3vo by #teamwin
Please wait...
Attempting to modify ro.secure property...
fb_fix_screeninfo:
id: msmfb
smem_start: 802160640
smem_len: 3145728
type: 0
type_aux: 0
visual: 2
xpanstep: 0
ypanstep: 1
line_length: 1920
mmio_start: 0
accel: 0
fb_var_screeninfo:
xres: 480
yres: 800
xres_virtual: 480
yres_virtual: 1600
xoffset: 0
yoffset: 0
bits_per_pixel: 32
activate: 16
height: 94
width: 56
rotate: 0
grayscale: 0
nonstd: 0
accel_flags: 0
pixclock: 0
left_margin: 0
right_margin: 0
upper_margin: 0
lower_margin: 0
hsync_len: 0
vsync_len: 0
sync: 0
vmode: 0
Buffer offset: 00000000
Buffer size: 8192
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Potential exploit area found at address f9fd6200:e00.
Exploiting device...
c:\tbolt2>[COLOR="red"]adb shell[/COLOR]
# [COLOR="Blue"]<-indicates that you have temp root access[/COLOR]
how to unroot
the revolutionary method of rooting uses a sneeky hboot exploit,and replaces your stock 1.04.0000 or 1.05.0000 bootloader with a modified permanent hboot. it not only gives you all the same fashboot flash abilities as the original engineering bootloader,but it very effectively blocks other hboots for overwriting it. its good,as you will remain s-off if you accidentally flash a full RUU,or accept an OTA,but makes it a little trickier to remove.
for the time being, removal requires ADB to be set up and running and some commands entered in "fastboot" to to allow the permanent hboot to be overwritten. once an "s-on" tool is release,ill take th is part of this guide down.
if you rooted the old skool manual way and have adb setup and working,you can use this guide to remove the permanent hboot.
with Revolutionary,will come a new wave of rooters that have no clue what adb,or fastboot even are. for you folks, Sele and the crew in the "rescue sguad" at HTC Thunderbolt Forum have come up with a really clever way to get the adb basics,and the eng bootloader to flash,with minimal setup and confusion. with their permission,im borrowing it for our guide here.
*WARNING* no siginture or file checks will be done flashing the new bootloader in hboot or fastboot.fastboot will literally flash "lets golf" as a bootloader if you tell it to. DO NOT mess with your hboot unless absolutely neccessary to return to stock for warranty purposes. if youre just tired of being rooted,flash the gingerbread ruu to get back to unrooted firmware and factory recovery. leaving the revolutionary s-off bootloader in place is the safest,and best option,and will not affect your ability to recieve OTAs.
*AGAIN- if youre just following this procedure because youre tired of being rooted,skip this next section and leave the permanent hboot in place. jump to "Putting current stock firmware and s-on back onto the phone" and flash only the first "PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.9" file(you can flash the 2nd file too if you want,but the permanent hboot will block it )
Setting up adb and removing the permanent hboot if youve never used adb before
1)if you no longer have the htc drivers that you installed when rooting with revolutionary,download them again from here on revolutionarys website.
2)next download *link removed (mirror)to somewhere convenient that youll be able to find it,like your desktop,or a "downloads" folder. it contains the old eng 1.40.2000 s-off hboot,and the bare minumum tools to install it.
3)the following directions were using windows 7 and chrome browser. other OS may be slightly different-the end result is you want unzipped,inside tbolt folder to be on the root of your C: drive.
-find the tbolt.zipdownload
-click on tbolt.zip download and open it.
-inside tbolt.zip,there is a folder labled tbolt. drag it to the root of C:. inside tbolt is the unpermanent hboot and some adb tools.
4) charge your Thunderbolt to 100%
5)click on then "start" bubble in the lower left corner of your screen. type "command" in the search window and hit enter. this will open a small black command window.
6)enter the following command(by typing or copy/paste):
you should see your promt in the window change to: c:\tbolt>
7)enter the follwing command:
check the output on the command window. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. the command must equal exactly 6991368ee2deaf182048a3ed9d3c0fcb if it does not,STOP!. delete the tbolt.zip download,and the unzipped tbolt folder from C:,re download and try it again. again,do not procede if the output in your command number does not equal it exactly.
8)once the number matches,you can continue. copy and paste the following codes into the command window:
the output should be your phones serial number
now enter:
this will cause your phone to boot into FASTBOOT mode,wich is a white screen with colored letters.
now enter:
the result again,should be your phones serial number.
9) now youre ready to enter the command to unlock the permanent hboot and flash the new,non permanent one.
to unlock,enter:
write the new hboot:
if you select bootloader at this point from the fastboot menu, youll still see the permanent s-off hboot,so select reboot with the volume rocker and power button and let the phone reboot. after it boots,you can adb reboot bootloader again,or power off, then power on/vol down and check that your pink "UNLOCKED" or "REVOLUTIONARY" is gone and you have the old 1.49.2000 bootloader.
here is what you should see in the command window,the red are my inputs:
Putting current stock firmware and s-on back onto the phone
after getting the bootloader back to the original s-off,engineering 1.04.2000 hboot download these 2 files:
1)PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19
mirror: https://rapidshare.com/files/271867813/PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip
md5: 334909756073760b3d7316e51a4ce837
2)*link removed PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip
mirror:PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip
md5: d26b3253358407d459c654e6729a39ca
rename PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip to "PG05IMG",move to your sd card,and flash in hboot.
this is important! you must flash the PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip first
after successfully flashing that,you will be on unrooted gingerbread with an eng s-off bootloader. delete the PG05IMG file from your sd card. now place the PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip on your sd card. check the md5. once youve verified it matches,you can rename PG05IMG and flash it.
again, only flash the hboot file after you have successfully flashed the rom.
now you are 100% stock on latest firmware. unrooted gingerbread 2.11.605.19 with *locked* 1.05.0000 s-on bootloader.
as always,be as cautious as possible doing hboot flashes,and follow directions in the http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/353591-how-some-root-terminology.html to flash these files if youre unfamiliar with hboot flashing.
*please start a new thread before attempting this if any part of this confuses you. without a bootloader your phone is a paperweight,so we want to help you prior to making any mistakes
for the time being, removal requires ADB to be set up and running and some commands entered in "fastboot" to to allow the permanent hboot to be overwritten. once an "s-on" tool is release,ill take th is part of this guide down.
if you rooted the old skool manual way and have adb setup and working,you can use this guide to remove the permanent hboot.
with Revolutionary,will come a new wave of rooters that have no clue what adb,or fastboot even are. for you folks, Sele and the crew in the "rescue sguad" at HTC Thunderbolt Forum have come up with a really clever way to get the adb basics,and the eng bootloader to flash,with minimal setup and confusion. with their permission,im borrowing it for our guide here.
*WARNING* no siginture or file checks will be done flashing the new bootloader in hboot or fastboot.fastboot will literally flash "lets golf" as a bootloader if you tell it to. DO NOT mess with your hboot unless absolutely neccessary to return to stock for warranty purposes. if youre just tired of being rooted,flash the gingerbread ruu to get back to unrooted firmware and factory recovery. leaving the revolutionary s-off bootloader in place is the safest,and best option,and will not affect your ability to recieve OTAs.
*AGAIN- if youre just following this procedure because youre tired of being rooted,skip this next section and leave the permanent hboot in place. jump to "Putting current stock firmware and s-on back onto the phone" and flash only the first "PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.9" file(you can flash the 2nd file too if you want,but the permanent hboot will block it )
Setting up adb and removing the permanent hboot if youve never used adb before
1)if you no longer have the htc drivers that you installed when rooting with revolutionary,download them again from here on revolutionarys website.
2)next download *link removed (mirror)to somewhere convenient that youll be able to find it,like your desktop,or a "downloads" folder. it contains the old eng 1.40.2000 s-off hboot,and the bare minumum tools to install it.
3)the following directions were using windows 7 and chrome browser. other OS may be slightly different-the end result is you want unzipped,inside tbolt folder to be on the root of your C: drive.
-find the tbolt.zipdownload
-click on tbolt.zip download and open it.
-inside tbolt.zip,there is a folder labled tbolt. drag it to the root of C:. inside tbolt is the unpermanent hboot and some adb tools.
4) charge your Thunderbolt to 100%
5)click on then "start" bubble in the lower left corner of your screen. type "command" in the search window and hit enter. this will open a small black command window.
6)enter the following command(by typing or copy/paste):
Code:
cd c:\tbolt
7)enter the follwing command:
Code:
md5sums hbooteng.nb0
8)once the number matches,you can continue. copy and paste the following codes into the command window:
Code:
adb devices
now enter:
Code:
adb reboot bootloader
now enter:
Code:
fastboot devices
9) now youre ready to enter the command to unlock the permanent hboot and flash the new,non permanent one.
to unlock,enter:
Code:
fastboot oem mw 8d08ac54 1 31302E30
Code:
fastboot flash hboot hbooteng.nb0
if you select bootloader at this point from the fastboot menu, youll still see the permanent s-off hboot,so select reboot with the volume rocker and power button and let the phone reboot. after it boots,you can adb reboot bootloader again,or power off, then power on/vol down and check that your pink "UNLOCKED" or "REVOLUTIONARY" is gone and you have the old 1.49.2000 bootloader.
here is what you should see in the command window,the red are my inputs:
Code:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Scott>[COLOR="Red"]cd c:\tbolt[/COLOR]
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"]md5sums hbooteng.nb0[/COLOR]
MD5sums 1.2 freeware for Win9x/ME/NT/2000/XP+
Copyright (C) 2001-2005 Jem Berkes - http://www.pc-tools.net/
Type md5sums -h for help
[Path] / filename MD5 sum
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[c:\tbolt\]
hbooteng.nb0 6991368ee2deaf182048a3ed9d3c0fcb
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"][COLOR="red"]adb devices[/COLOR][/COLOR]
* daemon not running. starting it now *
* daemon started successfully *
List of devices attached
HT126S005970 device
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"]adb reboot bootloader[/COLOR]
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"]fastboot devices[/COLOR]
HT126S005970 fastboot
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"]fastboot oem mw 8d08ac54 1 31302E30[/COLOR]
...
OKAY [ 0.006s]
finished. total time: 0.006s
c:\tbolt>[COLOR="red"]fastboot flash hboot hbooteng.nb0[/COLOR]
sending 'hboot' (1024 KB)...
OKAY [ 0.183s]
writing 'hboot'...
OKAY [ 0.219s]
finished. total time: 0.403s
c:\tbolt>
Putting current stock firmware and s-on back onto the phone
after getting the bootloader back to the original s-off,engineering 1.04.2000 hboot download these 2 files:
1)PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19
mirror: https://rapidshare.com/files/271867813/PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip
md5: 334909756073760b3d7316e51a4ce837
2)*link removed PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip
mirror:PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip
md5: d26b3253358407d459c654e6729a39ca
rename PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip to "PG05IMG",move to your sd card,and flash in hboot.
this is important! you must flash the PG05IMG_no_hboot_2.11.605.19.zip first
after successfully flashing that,you will be on unrooted gingerbread with an eng s-off bootloader. delete the PG05IMG file from your sd card. now place the PG05IMG_hboot_ONLY_2.11.605.19.zip on your sd card. check the md5. once youve verified it matches,you can rename PG05IMG and flash it.
again, only flash the hboot file after you have successfully flashed the rom.
now you are 100% stock on latest firmware. unrooted gingerbread 2.11.605.19 with *locked* 1.05.0000 s-on bootloader.
as always,be as cautious as possible doing hboot flashes,and follow directions in the http://androidforums.com/thunderbolt-all-things-root/353591-how-some-root-terminology.html to flash these files if youre unfamiliar with hboot flashing.
*please start a new thread before attempting this if any part of this confuses you. without a bootloader your phone is a paperweight,so we want to help you prior to making any mistakes
some other info
*make sure you read this:
[WARNING] Do not downgrade to 1.0xxxxx after root
*some advice for linux/ubuntu users on unrooting can be found in this thread,in post #233,special thanks to user lovebuntu
*last and not least the standard discalaimer. i take no credit for anything listed in this post,i am only responsible for placing the information here in one spot. please do your research before attempting to modify your phone,i take no responsibility if any of the methods listed above aid you in turning yout thunderbolt into an expensive paperweight.
heres a link to the old manual rooting methods thread,for anyone interested: http://androidforums.com/thunderbol...ting-methods-archived-outdated-8-14-11-a.html
[WARNING] Do not downgrade to 1.0xxxxx after root
*some advice for linux/ubuntu users on unrooting can be found in this thread,in post #233,special thanks to user lovebuntu
*last and not least the standard discalaimer. i take no credit for anything listed in this post,i am only responsible for placing the information here in one spot. please do your research before attempting to modify your phone,i take no responsibility if any of the methods listed above aid you in turning yout thunderbolt into an expensive paperweight.
heres a link to the old manual rooting methods thread,for anyone interested: http://androidforums.com/thunderbol...ting-methods-archived-outdated-8-14-11-a.html