Snooping

[zuben el genub]

Tech giants call for controls on government snooping

All well and good.

Then there's AT&T:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/...user-data/?smid=tw-nytimesbits&seid=auto&_r=4

AT&T Tells Shareholders To Mind Their Own Business Concerning Its Relationship With The NSA | Techdirt

Unless they are double dipping:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/us/cia-is-said-to-pay-att-for-call-data.html

 

[dibblebill]

U.S. Government Pays Hundreds Of Dollars To AT&T And Verizon For Every Wiretap

You mean this?


I despise it. Shouldn't happen. Not proven effective nor useful, and the principle of it is wrong. "But dibblebill, you're not a terrorist, why are you worried?" I don't care. I have nothing to hide, its the principle.

 

[zuben el genub]

The tech companies snoop themselves for marketing purposes. So the pot's calling the kettle black.

 

[dibblebill]

The tech companies snoop themselves for marketing purposes. So the pot's calling the kettle black.

I don't have an issue w/ Google and such doing it because its in the EULA. I consented to that. I never had the option to opt-out of the NSA snooping. If I wanted, I could just de-Googlify my devices and run w/o GApps and snooping there.

 

[zuben el genub]

The NSA Reads Your Google Cookies to See if It Should Hack You

I've seen articles where other companies want to share your cookies. Who clicks on ads anyway?

I toss everything in the browser when I close it. No history, no cookies, no anything.
I prefer Ixquick and Startpage as browsers, and use them on the phone. Boat allows Duck, but the other 2 are in the speed dial. I don't allow browser to save passwords.

 

[SiempreTuna]

I don't have an issue w/ Google and such doing it because its in the EULA

I think I see a solution! A EULA with the Oath of Allegiance

 

[dibblebill]

I think I see a solution! A EULA with the Oath of Allegiance

It's not consent if its not voluntary and requires coercion.

I love that. Example- Canada instituted a "voluntary" ban on transfats. Okay. What does voluntary mean? You can participate if you want. However, if you didn't, you got fined big time. That's not voluntary. That's coersion. Offering a threat or punishment for not making an action. "Say this Oath of Allegiance... Or we put you in jail." is not voluntary consent.

 

[Goodspike]

The tech companies snoop themselves for marketing purposes. So the pot's calling the kettle black.

The Fourth Amendment isn't applicable to private companies. Also, you give them the information.

 

[dibblebill]

The key to tech companies is that by using their services, you agreed to allow them to do so. You were never given that choice regarding governments.

 

[SiempreTuna]

Example- Canada instituted a "voluntary" ban on transfats. Okay. What does voluntary mean? You can participate if you want

In that particular case it makes zero sense that there was anything voluntary about the ban - what the heck is that crud still doing in food 2 decades after it was proved to be poison

Oh yeah .. political 'contributions'

 

[dibblebill]

In that particular case it makes zero sense that there was anything voluntary about the ban - what the heck is that crud still doing in food 2 decades after it was proved to be poison

Oh yeah .. political 'contributions'

I'm not criticizing the subject of the ban. That'd be changing the topic. No, the subject at hand is the usage of the term 'voluntary'. To put it bluntly, there wasn't anything voluntary in the ban. My point was, there's nothing voluntary if coersion or legal force is involved. That's like saying "Volunteer for this task over here or we'll punish you." You remove the voluntary with the addition of any threat, force, or, as is the ultimate end of such things, a gun.

 

[!on]

The EU courts want the UK (GCHQ) to justify their spying on people's communications. I saw Malcolm Rifkind on TV answering such criticisms (with his evil tory death stare) at the man on channel 4 news. He basically said they follow the law. Which is nice. What he omitted from the interview was all the times they BREAK the law, in the name of "terror". Like unscheduled flights abducting suspects & whisking them off to other countries without trial. For torture based interrogations, no doubt!

Just google the man & see how evil he is for yourself!