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Putting to rest the myths about Task Killers/RAM Optimizers and the like

Honestly, I have wondered before what they do with those permissions. Common sense will tell you that Facebook might want to use your contacts where a battery widget has no business with the info. But if it does get the permission is there any wiggle room for that dev to say... " well uh Mr Google sir, I needed contacts because the battery is connected to the neck bone and the neck bone is connected to the Contacts..." .
Also I have seen some apps that claim you can grant permissions piece meal (one or none, or anything in between) . Any truth to those? I've never investigated them personally.
That's a risky road and there's no asking Mr Google to it - apps that can read your contacts and messages when they have no business doing so are stealing your private information, period.

OK, not stealing - you checked the accept button and said you understood and agreed. So the apps are simply taking advantage of your generous giveaway.

"Shaping your advertising experience" has nothing to do with it. Selling your personal information is about the nicest thing that they do.

Again, strategies for permission management really do belong in the other thread. :)
 
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Multiple tools are available in android device. I need to trash battery physician.
There are a lot of good sounding tools available. But when you check the permissions they almost all want a good look at things they dont have a right too. Keep searching though and you'll find goodness out there (I think....) I saw someone earlier say that Juice Defender wasnt any good, but personally Ive had good luck with it. I only use it when my battery is about to die though, then I use it to cut my phone off from all things that use battery so I can maintain calling ability ( which is really the reason for a phone right?) I think thats kinda the point of the thread though, is that if you want to extend battery life, you dont really use an app, you do common sense things like shutting off wife, gps, and setting the screen to timeout sooner. I just find it hand to have all those settings handy in an app :)
 
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It seems that when one goes to APP SETTINGS and click on the offending APP (such as Battery Doctor) and click on Force Stop, the App starts up again after a battery change. How does one STOP Apps permanently and they stay off even after reboot or battery change?

Is the only way to prevent them running is to UNinstall each App ?
 
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It seems that when one goes to APP SETTINGS and click on the offending APP (such as Battery Doctor) and click on Force Stop, the App starts up again after a battery change. How does one STOP Apps permanently and they stay off even after reboot or battery change?

Is the only way to prevent them running is to UNinstall each App ?
Malware and snake oil like Battery Doctor need to be uninstalled.

Many apps are restarting precisely because Battery Doctor screwed with them.

It will take a few cycles for your phone to heal.

Other apps start by a system designed action - the phone subsystem always starts. The dialer is triggered, it starts. The dialer needs contacts so it starts. Contacts can get to texts and email so those will start.

Your last used and most used apps will queue up, maybe run or maybe only appear to run.

Many of the apps that you're sure are running at startup are really not.

There's a whole thread explaining each of these points in detail, already addressed to you for the most part.

You're in it.

Read it, learn it, love it, lose the snake oil and stop trying to be smarter than the operating system.

Your phone will work better and you'll save a lot of time and headaches.
 
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You know I was actually thinking about the guy who was the originator of this thread earlier and was wondering if he was still reading this stuff or not. Question answered I guess :) But now here's another question I had in the same thought.... what does this feller really want? Does he simply want his battery to last longer? Is he looking for more control over his system? Im not too sure but I had some [what I think are] reasonable things to say on either fork in the path.

Perhaps the problem is just in the misunderstandings about battery life in general. I was upset by my battery when I first switched to a smartphone. I went from a device that would run for literally days on one charge to something that (once again literally) jailed me to the seat next to the outlet at home. Werent cellular phones designed for mobility I thought? When I delved into it I found that the average battery has the capacity of about 3-5 AAA batteries. Now can you imagine how long youd be able to run your disc man ( i know old school right) on 3-5 AAA? A few hours at the most. Now add in a digital camera, cellular phone, game system and all other functions available in modern hardware. Certainly we are in an age of miracles! This is alot of things eating at the small amount of power in the battery though I can still understand why a person would want to squeeze maximum life from thier battery though, so in light of that shared interest I will suggest simple things like tuning the screen timeout on your device, setting app sync options to their minumum and other such things. Even with all that being done battery life is still dismal, but as others have tried to explain, Android and the apps it is running are not to blame. I found this out early in the game by trying to use a disk defragmentation app. It was exactly like everyone has said.... I had a performance issue, then I hit the defrag button and saw an immediate increase.... but wait! minutes later the problem was back and worse! I had to go for that button again and again. Research I did suggested exactly what this thread is saying. Android takes care of itself. it does not need user maintenance. I stopped trying to improve my performance by that method and looked into what was good for android and had better results.
Perhaps more control over your device is what you would like though? Perhaps (as is the case with that OS that starts with a big W...hat the hell) you should decide what is running and what should not to get optimal performance, with a focus on your battery life. Enter the panacea of the battery apps. Unfortunately you cannot judge Android by other OS standards. I am completely astounded by its ability take care of everything that needs to be done for folks that dont know how, as well as leaving teh door open for the tech knowledge advanced as well. Basically I havent seen a damn thing that android cant do if you ask it right. Dinking around with the core workings never works though.

If youd like to improve your experience, look to custom roms, and slimming bloatware from your device (VASTLY improves performance and battery life) and after that look to finding an app that HAS what you need rather than an app to DO something for you. If you want a camera that behaves in a specific way, it probably exists. But if you want to get an app to make your other apps behave in a way that you want, instead of the way the system intended..... thats where the trouble starts. Like so many others have said, let Android do its job and your will be happy with it. If your battery isnt up to snuff, then (if you're still willing to try another android) make your next purchase with that in mind. Large capacity for a battery is currently (I think ) around 2300-2300 mAh and will have the longest life. As to answering your question ("how do you kill ____ app") I dont know, because I dont kill em. If I have a problem I restart my device and let it get a fresh start with all its resources intact :) I hope this helps :)
 
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I don't know if this subject has already been brought up but what about android's native task manager? I usually clear all recent tasks before playing a game that consumes a lot of CPU/ram like GTA, Need for Speed, or Modern Combat. Is this pointless as well?
It seems to make a difference with devices that don't have the specs to run them 100% smoothly.
 
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I don't know if this subject has already been brought up but what about android's native task manager? I usually clear all recent tasks before playing a game that consumes a lot of CPU/ram like GTA, Need for Speed, or Modern Combat. Is this pointless as well?
It seems to make a difference with devices that don't have the specs to run them 100% smoothly.
There's the native task manager, put there for a reason, that's fine to use when it makes sense to absolutely do so.

Then there is the task manager included by OEMs that may - or may not - hook directly to the native task manager.

There's no one answer.

Sounds like you're ok. Does performance degrade while you're playing? If so, it's not the native task killer.

Resource intensive games perform better when not vying for resources, obviously.

If you're reading this and you're in doubt, try out rebooting your device prior to launching your intense gaming session.
 
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Regarding battery drain, I do have and use Battery Doctor. I find lately it pops up so many times during the day for me to 'optimize' and kill background running apps. I'm wondering if it's not doing most of the draining. Seems like the past month, something has happened that I can't figure out. I used to go easily 2 days before needing to charge. Now it's pretty much every day. I have data, GPS, sync, etc. all turned off. Another thing I've noticed is if I turn the phone completely off when I charge, when I turn it back on, Samsung has reinstalled ChatON and S Health, every freaking time. I have to go in and uninstall every freaking time. I can't figure out what has changed in the last month. Anyone have any ideas please?
 
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Regarding battery drain, I do have and use Battery Doctor. I find lately it pops up so many times during the day for me to 'optimize' and kill background running apps. I'm wondering if it's not doing most of the draining. Seems like the past month, something has happened that I can't figure out. I used to go easily 2 days before needing to charge. Now it's pretty much every day. I have data, GPS, sync, etc. all turned off. Another thing I've noticed is if I turn the phone completely off when I charge, when I turn it back on, Samsung has reinstalled ChatON and S Health, every freaking time. I have to go in and uninstall every freaking time. I can't figure out what has changed in the last month. Anyone have any ideas please?
It seems from this guy's result that Batty Doctor (see what I did there) has gotten really goofy -

http://androidforums.com/threads/lg-volt-v4-4-2-lag.911613/#post-6927404

So, it's a definite contributor to your battery drain and any lag, absolutely no doubt.

The Samsung stuff you want to ask about in your particular Sammy phone forum here to get the straight dope on that. I can't tell from your posting history which that is, so I can't give you a direct link, sorry.
 
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Perhaps some of you are familiar with Storage Truth.

http://androidforums.com/threads/qu...e-is-your-storage-truth-read-me-first.906249/

Well, @scary alien and I are at it again.

Remember that really detailed post here about all of the confusing ways that apps go about reporting ram, and rarely in agreement with the kernel and never in agreement the hardware?

RAM Truth is coming.

It's already in beta. Stay tuned for details.

RAM Truth is coming soon. ;) :)

Want to see the total effect on RAM after launching a browser, not just the app's allocation?

Want to know what the Linux pros know about Android RAM without needing to be a Linux pro?

Want it in a really easy to understand format?

With zero invasive permissions and no ads?

Yeah. It's like that. :)
 
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