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If you're hot enough to be 'irresistible,' you can be fired in Iowa

Discussion in 'Politics and Current Affairs' started by quest7, Dec 23, 2012.

  1. quest7

    quest7 Android Enthusiast
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  2. wyndslash

    wyndslash Android Expert

    That's just...wow.
  3. saptech

    saptech Android Expert

    lol...Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful!!!
  4. Gmash

    Gmash Extreme Android User

    I saw that on CNN earlier. The sad thing is she worked there for ten years, and he gets to fire her just because his wife got jealous. Its totally ridiculous and unfair.
  5. wyndslash

    wyndslash Android Expert

    it's crazy. Why is that even allowed?
  6. Gmash

    Gmash Extreme Android User

    Good question. I can't believe it got upheld by the state supreme court. I guess the rationale is that you can legally fire anyone for any reason, as long as its not discrimination of any kind (racial,sexual, etc). I guess they're saying she wasn't fired because she's a woman specifically, it was more of a personal conflict. Still seems a bit of a stretch to me, but I'm not a lawyer.
  7. saptech

    saptech Android Expert

    I wonder if this would have happen if the job is a union workplace??? I doubt it very seriously. Maybe the wives should fire their husbands!
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  8. wyndslash

    wyndslash Android Expert

    she's been working there for 10 years. If the guy can't keep it in his pants that's his problem. An all-male court decided this. A normal guy should be insulted. They're basically implying that the modern man is still a base animal who can't use basic logic
  9. Gmash

    Gmash Extreme Android User

    When the republicans finally succeed in killing off all of the unions, expect to see more stuff like this.
  10. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Extreme Android User

    The law lets you fire anyone for any reason. Nothing illegal going on. Move along.
  11. wyndslash

    wyndslash Android Expert

    Legal doesn't always mean ethical. I think that is the aspect we are most concerned with. Simply accepting that opens the door for more abuses
  12. cjr72

    cjr72 Android Enthusiast

    Apparently being good looking also makes you more likely to get a raise and promotion, so I guess you have to take the good with the bad.
  13. quest7

    quest7 Android Enthusiast
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    Also, I'm sure this woman had bills to pay. And, what reason is she gonna give her next employer for being fired, I was too cute?
  14. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Extreme Android User

    The law does not concern itself with ethics. According to the law the employer did nothing illegal in terminating this woman. That's all there is to it. The ethics are a completely different discussion. Legally the man is in the right.
  15. saptech

    saptech Android Expert

    Part of the problem in the US is the law working for the wrong things instead of the right things. The courts, especially the convservatives courts are treating companies as people instead of entities.
  16. copestag

    copestag Android Expert

    how exactly would that apply here?
  17. Gmash

    Gmash Extreme Android User

    More like they treat companies like people, and people like property.
  18. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    Fortunately, we have juries that can take ethics into account. I think the jury would receive orders from the judge not to consider something like looks, just the law. But they will likely not follow the orders and a little fairness might slip in to their decision.

    I do not know if you are correct or not. Odd thing is, we read about these cases and we wonder how can a company get away with this "illegal" thing. All the while, not understanding they are allowed by law to do it. Some pretty crazy things are legal.

    Can I fire (or hire, the other side of the coin) someone because of their skin color? It might be legal, but we still have courts that terminated employees can use to take this guy's money. I am betting I can't use skin color as a basis for hiring or firing someone.

    This idea that you can be fired for being too cute is interesting in that there is another side: getting fred for being too fat or ugly. I am sure Calvin Klein can fire you for being too fat or ugly if you represent his company.

    Seems to me that if I can fire a person because of how they look; being too cute in this case, then I can fire people because they look too dark.

    So you can fire me because I am ugly as a boiled dragon? Perhaps it is your right. And I can sue you and take your cash which is my right. I am being ethical and you are not, so I win, HA HA HA!:D
  19. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    1. Woman is fired for being too cute
    2. Woman sues company and wins big judgement
    3. Companies learn that if they fire someone for being too cute, they lose money
    4. Abuses slow down
  20. copestag

    copestag Android Expert

    I guess we should make looks a protected class?

    next we'll be required to have supermodels that look like rocky dennis? (look that up if you dont know)

    hooters will be required to hire 600 pound women

    or maybe we can just ban sexual desire

    it will be a crime punishable by death to find another person attractive

    the problem isnt workplace ethics...... or courtroom legislation..... or any other fantasy that can be dreamed up......

    the problem is people looking for the silliest reasons to advance agendas

    sometimes we get a little too carried in trying to fabricate individual rights

    in a case like this by law the employer had every legal right to fire her for any reason he wanted.......... she could have been fired for having hammer toes or crossed eyes just as legally

    I agree its sad that she worked there for 10 years before this became an issue....... and the guy should be ashamed of himself for his lack of self control and loose morals

    but as many of you crying about how she was wronged are so fond of arguing...... we cannot and should not legislate morality

    one other aspect that nobody has considered however...... since this guy is a dentist who obviously admits he cannot control his sexual urges....... should he really be trusted with patients? I know I wouldnt be a patient of his
  21. kool kat2

    kool kat2 Android Expert

    Assuming she wins of course. If not then its still shame on her for being attractive. Maybe he should have given her a chance to get a quasi moto (or however you spell it) face lift. That would have been more than fair.
  22. wyndslash

    wyndslash Android Expert

    Yes. But I don't think we should stand by such obviously ridiculous laws.
  23. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Extreme Android User

    Is it a ridiculous law? I'm not sure it is. At the other end is a world where employers need "'good" reasons to fire people and you have judges who have to decide which reasons are "good" and which ones aren't.
  24. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    There is a big difference between the written law and feelings. I was not there. Perhaps this dental assistant was a distraction. Perhaps the dentist's wife was a jealous type. If so, I can see his point.

    Perhaps this is not the first jealous wife that told her hubby to get rd of "that" woman. I do not know the case that prompted this change in the law, just the highlights that might not tell the complete story.
  25. Bob Maxey

    Bob Maxey Android Expert

    We live in a world where inferior teachers are next to impossible to fire. If you do a little research, you might find that bad union employees can be hard to fire as well. Tenured professors cannot be easily terminated.

    We are forced to hire people we might not want to hire and if some supervisor comments on how a woman looks, chances are, there will be a lawsuit, if the woman takes offence. I about know someone who was called on the carpet to answer why he would not hire a large woman who came in for an interview. The job required being in a light aircraft and she was simply too big to fit in the seat.

    Companies are no longer private concerns in that forces on the outside influences who you must, by law, be required to hire and who you cannot easily fire. I think you should be able to fire or hire anyone you want without a law that mandates you must hire specific people. Let an outraged public voice their displeasure with their pocketbooks.

    I do not know about the case that prompted the law. For all we know, this dental assistant was a tease or a problem. Again, all we have is a story about the new law or ruling tat lets you fire a hot assistant. As a man, I am all for hiring hot people.

    In thinking about this, I am left wondering what the difference is between firing someone for being too hot and not hiring a woman because she is too fat, flat chested or ugly? Is there any real difference? If you cant fire someone because he is too hot, can you then start hiring woman only if they are hot?

    I think the person that fired this woman is crazy. We need more hot people in the workplace, not fewer.:p

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