Rand Paul...

[Crude]

Hmm... so Obama took office in Jan 2008... 11 months before he was elected?

typo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average

 

[Crude]

btw the extreme right doesn't exist in US politics anymore. There are moderates and every flavor left of that. Trust me, I'm extreme right and no one represent me anymore. The tea party is ONLY about fiscal responsibility. They aren't really a political party though are they? There are many unheard voices in the US today that are more or less crazy and one of the goals or these voices IS fiscal responsibility. These voices, again, more or less crazy lay claim to the tea parties agenda, not the other way around. The tea party does not endorse the agendas of the small groups that you find intermingled within a typical tea party rally. What the media does is grab the crazies and says "this is the tea party" This is systematic and deliberate character assassination. A specialty of those left....waaaay left of moderate.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I don't think pols like Rand Paul and most of the tea party types have any idea of what a nation is or should be. We're going to be taking some giant steps backwards as a nation and a society, and in many, many areas.

I am a "Tea Party Type." Can you please educate me or us and kindly tell us what we do not know?

Bob Maxey

 

[droiduzr2]

I am a "Tea Party Type." Can you please educate me or us and kindly tell us what we do not know?

Bob Maxey

So do you think that John McCain and Sarah Palin would be doing a better job right now?

Do you think Palin is qualified to be President?

Please don't deflect just answer the questions because as you stated " I am a Tea Party type".

*we KNOW they are not a separate party but they are part of the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Just regarding 9/11, it could have been stopped this if it was realised the Truman Doctirne was not law, or if we didnt support Israel
blah blah blah it all leads back to UK & France carving up the Ottoman empire :rolleyses:
So basically yeah oil

* Afganistan was not in the Ottoman empire, but said carving up started the first roots of modern Islamic radicilism, which had knock on affects for other areas
Afganistan has been an Islamic state for centuries, a brief attemt at secularsation by its ruler (in the 50's IIRC) led to him leaving

Afganistan was not technically invaded, but its communist government was left controlling only the capital and asked the USSR for military help, who were only to happy to invade

 

[Crude]

Israel had nothing to do with this...your an antisemite.

 

[droiduzr2]

Israel had nothing to do with this...your an antisemite.

How cute, more name calling.

I guess it's easier to label someone a derogatory name than it is to try to contemplate the perplexity of a situation juxtaposed to the propositions of a path to potential solutions that is not self serving.

How old are you?

 

[hakr100]

Gosh, a party parody.

Watch the campaign ads...about the middle of the page:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/12/30-rock-tea-party_n_782691.html

 

[ElasticNinja]

Israel had nothing to do with this...your an antisemite.

I never prejudice someone if I can help it and being prejudiced against someone just brecause of an ethnicity or religion - well thats not right.

I could go into how I have Israeli Jewish cousins who served in the IDF, and how I most likely have a bigger insight into Israel than you, and waste a few minutes typing about it but I'll just leave you to think yourself

Regards, Shadow

EDIT: I am sure you are a nice guy - but I never understand how reasonable people can develop such extreme views, often lacking compassion
Maybe its a macho thing - I really dont know...

 

[Bob Maxey]

So do you think that John McCain and Sarah Palin would be doing a better job right now?

Do you think Palin is qualified to be President?

Please don't deflect just answer the questions because as you stated " I am a Tea Party type".

*we KNOW they are not a separate party but they are part of the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to lead this country, most certainly. She has the experience lacking in Obama because she ran Alaska. As for McCain, still not sure. I want to like him, but he has problems. Likely not my choice for president.

What seems to be lacking is Statesmanship. We need strong people to lead this country and they must understand and follow the Constitution. We need another Ronald Regan.

Obama is not a statesman by any stretch of the imagination. His cabinet members are a problem and he surrounds himself with truly despicable people. Like Van Jones, a self-described, avowed communist.

I believe in the core principals: Small government, the rule of law (US Constitution) individual liberty, tax cuts, strong national defence, leaving us alone to do what we do best.

Bob Maxey

 

[Crude]

How cute, more name calling.

I guess it's easier to label someone a derogatory name than it is to try to contemplate the perplexity of a situation juxtaposed to the propositions of a path to potential solutions that is not self serving.

How old are you?

Nope it's not name calling. Anti-semite is the politically correct term for some one who hates Jews. And lots of big words don't do anything for your credibility....nor does baiting and trolling.

 

[Crude]

I never prejudice someone if I can help it and being prejudiced against someone just brecause of an ethnicity or religion - well thats not right.

I could go into how I have Israeli Jewish cousins who served in the IDF, and how I most likely have a bigger insight into Israel than you, and waste a few minutes typing about it but I'll just leave you to think yourself

Regards, Shadow

EDIT: I am sure you are a nice guy - but I never understand how reasonable people can develop such extreme views, often lacking compassion
Maybe its a macho thing - I really dont know...

So I'm a nice guy with a macho complex? kthxbye

 

[LoyalServant]

I think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to lead this country, most certainly. She has the experience lacking in Obama because she ran Alaska.

WHAT?
Because she ran ALASKA?
A state with less than 700,000 people?
Let's not forget that Sarah Palin goes to Canada for medical treatment... but damn that socialism!
Or that she sees Russians out of her window?
And she can't name a single newspaper or magazine she has read in the omg HILARIOUS interview with Katie Couric?
In that same interview she could not name a single court case she disagreed with, but she knows what's up in the country I guess?

What about that kid that asked her what the role of the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS, AND GOT IT WRONG?

Now, I used to think Bush was dumb.
This lady is the definition of stupid.

Here is one I found on the net....

Questioner: Are you offended by the phrase

 

[Strings]

Wow... folks arguing soundbytes back and forth. Way to go, modern education!

BTW: the "Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house" thing came from SNL. Last time I checked, that was a comedy show, not current news...

Also: presenting something from HuffPo to slam the Right is kinda funny. Do you also post stuff from PETA about hunting?

As far as Afghanistan, you can blame both sides. We abandoned those folks after helping them get bombed into the stone age. And both sides (Left and Right) could've changed that outcome.

Oh... "Peace in the Middle East". Again: a region which has never known peace in recorded history. What awesome hubris to think we can create it!

Yes, Clinton was working on some form of agreement. However, most of the Islamic NGOs in the area have stated point blank that peace will only happen when Israel is gone.

Now... someone explain (without rhetoric) why we keep hearing Palin compared to Obama? Palin was NOT the Presidential candidate. But she does have more executive experience than Obama, for what it's worth. If you'd like to argue that, detail Obama's pre-President executive experience...

 

[Crude]

lol but 57 states IS the POTUS

 

[droiduzr2]

I think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to lead this country, most certainly. She has the experience lacking in Obama because she ran Alaska. As for McCain, still not sure. I want to like him, but he has problems. Likely not my choice for president.

What seems to be lacking is Statesmanship. We need strong people to lead this country and they must understand and follow the Constitution. We need another Ronald Regan.

Obama is not a statesman by any stretch of the imagination. His cabinet members are a problem and he surrounds himself with truly despicable people. Like Van Jones, a self-described, avowed communist.

I believe in the core principals: Small government, the rule of law (US Constitution) individual liberty, tax cuts, strong national defence, leaving us alone to do what we do best.

Bob Maxey

WOW! Yes, with such riveted speeches that demonstrated a command of the topics especially those issues effecting the country of Africa.

This is her speech- Freedom, Liberty, Forefathers, and Ronald Reagan...oh and the Real Americans.

btw- So she ran for a position and got elected by the voters of her state who trusted her to dole out the oil money because just like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia the pretty much have a Government "welfare" system from the Oil money.

Back to my point, she ran, got elected, and then QUIT the job after only doing 1 year out of 4. Yes, that there is character.

Bob, I think you have SOLIDIFIED the case as to why America's Education system is in such shambles today.

I guess you got to hold that position because some of you have a problem with the HALF WHITE or is he HALF BLACK guy being the PRESIDENT.

Hey Bob,
Do you believe Obama is NOT an American Citizen or was born in America?

 

[Strings]

droiduzr: you've been the only one I've seen in any of these threads who has brought up Obama's race. And you keep doing it, over and over...

Projecting much? You have a problem of some kind with those with darker skin?

 

[ElasticNinja]

So I'm a nice guy with a macho complex? kthxbye

I dont know why people dont care about the misery of others

What do you think of third world exploitation

 

[hakr100]

I think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to lead this country, most certainly. She has the experience lacking in Obama because she ran Alaska. As for McCain, still not sure. I want to like him, but he has problems. Likely not my choice for president.

What seems to be lacking is Statesmanship. We need strong people to lead this country and they must understand and follow the Constitution. We need another Ronald Regan.

Obama is not a statesman by any stretch of the imagination. His cabinet members are a problem and he surrounds himself with truly despicable people. Like Van Jones, a self-described, avowed communist.

I believe in the core principals: Small government, the rule of law (US Constitution) individual liberty, tax cuts, strong national defence, leaving us alone to do what we do best.

Bob Maxey

No one in Obama's inner circle is as despicable as Dick Cheney, who should have been investigated, indicted, tried and convicted on a variety of major felonies.

 

[Strings]

I dont know why people dont care about the misery of others

What do you think of third world exploitation

I don't care about it. For two reasons.

1) There's not a damn thing I can do about it
2) There are plenty of issues CAN do something about closer to home
3) What we in the west think of as "exploitation", those folks in the Third World usually think of as "work". and usually better work than the alternative

No one in Obama's inner circle is as despicable as Dick Cheney, who should have been investigated, indicted, tried and convicted on a variety of major felonies.

Examples. Because I can think of several felonies that should have been brought against folks in the current administration (and would have been, had they been "normal folks")...

 

[droiduzr2]

No one in Obama's inner circle is as despicable as Dick Cheney, who should have been investigated, indicted, tried and convicted on a variety of major felonies.

It's funny ow Cheney and the rest that OUTED Valerie Plame the CIA agent did NOT get charged with TREASON and hung or shot.

Where are all you so called PATRIOTS then and now?

It's also funny how nobody wants to investigate HALIBURTON either.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I don't care about it.

I know you didnt mean it to, but that sounds cold

1) There's not a damn thing I can do about it

By some fairtrade products, tell your local politicians

2) There are plenty of issues CAN do something about closer to home

I see that by your sig, fair duce mate

3) What we in the west think of as "exploitation", those folks in the Third World usually think of as "work". and usually better work than the alternative

I know you are thinking of China here (as most do)
But its the small countries and states that suffer the most (most of Africa, many Indian states, many central american/carribean countries, ASEAN)
Short but interesting read

BTW this is way off-topic but I am sure our frend Rand has [BAD ] opinions on it too

EDIT:
Saw an interesting post on LF Capitisilm (note: I believe capitilism is the right system for the world now but it needs A LOT of reform

No, no, no. No one disputes the fact that capitalism greatly increases the wealth (and thus living standards) of those who profit from the system. However, it does not, and cannot (since any economic system is merely a way of distributing limited resources), make everyone wealthy. Wealth is accumulated in the hands of the few through the toil of the many (e.g. Chinese sweatshops producing goods for FTSE companies). Anti-capitalists generally disagree with the axiom that there should be this level of pecuniary inequality and know that capitalism cannot create anything but such inequality. Whilst I am incredibly lucky to live in the UK, I appreciate that much of the world's population works harder for less reward than I do. Indeed, what system(s) we replace capitalism with requires serious consideration, however, there can be no doubt that laissez-faire capitalism ought to be replaced.

Oh and I have no doubt most developed world companies pay a slightly better wage in these places, but it doesnt make our epic exploitation of them right

An example of that is the banana crisis in the Caribbean which began in 1993. The European Union implemented a policy that favored the small banana growers of its former colonies in the Caribbean by imposing trade barriers on the banana grown in by Dole, Chiquita, and Del Monte. The fact that these U.S. companies controlled two thirds of the world banana market, compared to 3% for the Caribbean growers and these same companies controlled 42% of the market in the European Community, compared to 8% for the Caribbean growers, it did not deter them from heavily lobbying Washington. With disregard to the fact that it had slashed aid to the Caribbean 90%, from $226 million in 1985 to $22 million in 1995, Washington heeded the call by the companies.

The St. Lucia Banana Growers Association managing director, Rupert Gajadhar, said to a United States trade delegation, ``You are conducting the worst kind of economic warfare against a defenseless people. You take away our bananas and leave us with no alternative but misery, strife, and suffering.`` The United States does not export bananas, and only a handful of U.S. jobs were at stake, so the U.S. had little direct interest in the issue. So one asks himself, could there be another reason why the White House vigorously pursued the case? Well certainly there is. Between 1993 and 1996, Chiquita and its chairman, Carl Linder, donated more than $1.1 million to the Democratic Party, enough to earn him a night in the White House in early 1995. Carl Linder contributed more than $1.4 million to the Republican Party since 1994, he also contacted Bob Dole, who used a Linder owned plane during the 1996 presidential campaign. The White House launched a complaint with the World Trade Organization (WTO) on behalf of the three companies. In 1997 the WTO ruled against the EU requiring it to dismantle its preferences. This is an example of many cases of quid pro quo motivated trade policies.

www.thirdworldtraveler.com/General/ThirdWorld_def.htm

 

[Strings]

Unless you know me, never assume you know what I'm thinking.

Is my attitude "cold"? Sure is, and I make no apologies for it.

What you're talking about as "exploitation" is mankind's natural state: "haves" and "have nots". There's no way of making everyone a "have"... it simply doesn't work. You CAN, however, make the overwhelming majority "have nots": just look at the old USSR.

Oh yes... the "the small countries and states that suffer the most (most of Africa, many Indian states, many central american/carribean countries, ASEAN)". My experience is with Thailand and Cambodia. What I saw there is that yes, their wages are MUCH lower... but so is their cost of living. And, although seeing a picture of a street in Pataya LOOKS like absolute squalor, the quality of life is (in many ways) higher than here in the States (or Europe, for that matter).

What I know about Africa and it's problems, you can blame (mostly) on colonial era Europe. Africa hadn't advanced beyond tribal government at that point... then the Europeans took over. When they pulled out, that's exactly what they did: no teaching these tribal folks how to govern themselves in larger groups. Which is why we have a lot of the mess there that we do today...

As for Cheney: do y'all REALLY want to compare "evaded felonies" between the previous administration and the current one?

 

[droiduzr2]

Unless you know me, never assume you know what I'm thinking.

Is my attitude "cold"? Sure is, and I make no apologies for it.

What you're talking about as "exploitation" is mankind's natural state: "haves" and "have nots". There's no way of making everyone a "have"... it simply doesn't work. You CAN, however, make the overwhelming majority "have nots": just look at the old USSR.

Oh yes... the "the small countries and states that suffer the most (most of Africa, many Indian states, many central american/carribean countries, ASEAN)". My experience is with Thailand and Cambodia. What I saw there is that yes, their wages are MUCH lower... but so is their cost of living. And, although seeing a picture of a street in Pataya LOOKS like absolute squalor, the quality of life is (in many ways) higher than here in the States (or Europe, for that matter).

What I know about Africa and it's problems, you can blame (mostly) on colonial era Europe. Africa hadn't advanced beyond tribal government at that point... then the Europeans took over. When they pulled out, that's exactly what they did: no teaching these tribal folks how to govern themselves in larger groups. Which is why we have a lot of the mess there that we do today...

As for Cheney: do y'all REALLY want to compare "evaded felonies" between the previous administration and the current one?

See bold.
Do you mean like NOW is the US of A where the middle class have LESS and the Rich have even more.
95% of your Nations wealth is owned by 2% of the people and shrinking based on the FACTS.

That trend is working out great huh?

 

[hakr100]

As for Cheney: do y'all REALLY want to compare "evaded felonies" between the previous administration and the current one?

Nothing anyone in the current adminstration has done compares with the horrors perpetrated on this country by Dick Cheney. No one in the Obama Administration has stated a war under false pretenses.