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General Task Killer---Yes or No ?

Discussion in 'Android Devices' started by one11sgt, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. adrynalyne

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    If I relied on VZW, or the Turd Squad for tech support of any kind, I would turn in my man card and hang my head in shame.
     

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    I don't rely on either, just new to Android and tried out their suggestions. Have sense removed ATK and installed System Panel.

    ...Turd Squad... That's a good one... LOL!
     
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    Ok, this is a bit like changing the oil in your car every 30 minutes. Completely unnecessary. Potentially damaging (put the old gasket AND new gasket on=massive leak). Masks the real problem (you won't notice an oil leak doing this). (admittedly not a great analogy. your not going to permanently damage things, but temporally you could mess things up.)

    You almost certainly have a broken app that's either broken or set-up wrong, and being a CPU hog or preventing the phone from sleeping. Use system app to try and figure out what it is.

    This goes for EVERYBODY. If you notice a significant improvement in either performance or battery after running taskiller, you have a broken app you need to fix.
     
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    This thread rocks. I just downloaded system panel and I think it is much better than auto killing apps. Auto killing apps just causes me to open the app again which probably uses more cpu cycles. With system panel I can actually see that the apps are just idle and not using any cpu resource. Great tips in here fellas. Thanks.
     
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    No, Java isn't perfect but Linux's core has been ironed out pretty well. The memory management alone is well ahead of anything Apple or Microsoft are doing.
     
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    I agree with Tony N. (and many on this thread). I've learned about phone management here than anywhere. I've had my Incredible less than a week, and was not happy about the battery going dead at the end of the day, and my wife not able to reach me if she needed me on my drive home. I got ATK, used it (wrong, I've learned here) and yes, my battery life was extended significantly. However, I am more informed, and have since uninstalled ATK have purchased System Panel.

    This may sound REALLY stupid, but I'm not COMPLETELY sure what SP is really doing for me yet, but am I to just let it go let it do it's thing? I'm geeked about my Incredible and want to maximize it fully and efficiently, not spend my day poring over System Panel and closing things, analyzing all the time. That seems to defeat many purposes of a phone... I'll reread this thread and EXCLUDE the necessary items, but other than those, should I be ENDING the remaining tasks that are listed as 'active'?

    THANKS FOR EVERYONE'S HELP!
     
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    Why did you Purchase system panel? The free version works fine for me. (ok, on second thought, I should buy the paid version just to support the developer of this GREAT product. Basically I don't want people to think they need to shell out $2.99 to try it out.)

    And no, you should only be ending things that are ACTIVE and using alot of cpu (and you really shouldn't anyways, more on that later). You can tell by looking at the bar on the left side of the app's icon, as well as looking at the total CPU time. If they're a lot higher than everything else, you might have a problem.

    You want to use System panel to diagnose problems, that you then go and fix (either by tweaking setting, using a different app, or killing it as needed [in that order preferably, but that's up to you). You'll know you have a problem if the cpu clock bar and cpu pie (measures cpu load) are both high. Ignore memory usage, android really does a great job handling memory by itself.
     
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    System panel merely gives you a look what's going on and offers you options to affect it. Key words being it offers you options. It doesn't really do anything for you. You should use it to find apps that are using up the CPU excessively or whatever and kill them, then find out why they were doing that.
     
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    Some folks like to support developers.
     
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    Some folks are cheap/poor and need to not throw money away. Why pay for something you can get for free (note, that's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is "To support developers of valuable (as in has value) apps.")

    :)
     
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    Just typical of a lot of the Android Community. Take, take, take.

    If skipping lunch at Mcdonalds for an app hurts your pocket, you got no business with a smartphone, much less a Dinc.

    Im not saying that people should always buy apps, but certainly don't downplay it and think they shouldn't when they decide to.

    Why should a dev work for free if someone is willing to help em out?
     
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    I have already purchased about 15 apps (ranging from .99 to 29.99)
    I used to be a programmer and believe they should be rewarded for their work if it is beneficial to me.

    Just my 2 cents...
     
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    I was a Computer Science (software) major who went Computer Engineering (hardware). So I appreciate developers as well. It takes time to write apps, and they should be paid for their time. If you want it, and there's no free version, either pay or learn to code it yourself. They didn't have to do that and upload it to the market for you.
     
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    But what if there is a free version? Am I responsible for monetizing the company's crap business model for them? (your argument only makes sense if their business model is crap. If it works, then there's no problem, I'm doing exactly what they expect a user to do)

    I'm all in favor of developers getting rewarded for their work. I donate to rom developers for rom's I use. But it's their choice to put out a non-ad supported free version.

    And there is a world of difference between using a free market app, instead of a paid one, and using a pirated version. Using pirated software is STEALING. I don't think anybody is talking about that.
     
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    And I was suggesting that people use the free version FIRST. As I specifically said...
     
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    Epic fail on the quoting there.
     
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    yeah...sorry. Fixed.
     
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    Just downloaded the free sytem panel app. Thank you all for the advice.
     
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    I was referring more to people using APKtour and getting paid apps. I know a lot of people do it this way and it rubs me really wrong.
     
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    Hmm. I actually downloaded the free version first to get a feel for it, but wanted to buy it because, 1., helping the developer for something that is handy. What's 2.99? And, 2., I was interested in a few of the things the full version offered.

    I'm a freelance designer at times (I do have a full time job) and I understand how people want something (sometimes a lot) for nothing, and I appreciated what the developer offered, and I paid for it.

    ANYWAY, to keep on topic, several folks have mentioned that all System Panel does is show you things, it doesn't DO anything for you. Fine, I get that. But the second part of the above statement seems to always be followed by "...so you can figure out WHY it's taking up so much CPU..." That's the part I'm not sure about. HOW do I figure out why something is doing something potentially wrong using the SP info, and troubleshoot it?

    The web site is somewhat ambiguous about the troubleshooting aspects.

    thanks!
     
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    well spoken and from a wonderful resource for the Incredible community. Thanks.
     
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    Right now SP is showing my memory at 98m....75% used 25% free with minimal active apps and a bunch inactive. Is this normal? It seems like a waste of memory to me and I have the urge to start killing inactive apps to free all that "wasted" memory.

    Is this just my lacking knowledge of Android? Or should I free up memory ?
     
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    That's normal. Just keep repeating the mantra "free memory is wasted memory" over and over again.

    Android handles memory differently than windows. Caching recently active apps greatly reduces load time and system costs, without any loss of battery life (ram takes the same amount of juice whether it's empty or full). If more ram is needed for an active program/service it will boot out low priority programs to free up space.
     
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    Thank you. So used to windows.....its hard to change that mind set.
     
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    Thanks for the link to the article. This will go in my Android 101 file.

    Thanks to one11sgt for asking your (and my :)) questions.
     
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