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How do I know that GPS has stopped?

davidkayla

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Jun 11, 2014
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Hi,
With annoying regularity Google Maps lost its GPS connection again tonight when I was driving to a petrol station. I almost run out of petrol. I have been with many providers and I see this happen all of the time. Maybe it is an Australian thing?

What is even more annoying is that Google Maps just falls silent. Ok I can guess that something is up but what is required is a constant tick to tell me that it has a GPS connection. Then if I hear the tick stop I know something is up immediately.

Eventually the app says "GPS connection Lost". Are there any apps to help me with this problem?
Thanks.
David.
 
I use OsmAnd, you download offline maps (Australia & NZ is a single download, albiet large, definitely a WiFi job), so you don't need mobile data on to update the map. Works a treat and I have very few GPS problems, much more reliable for me than GMaps.

I have heard that OsmAnd is good and thanks for the tip, but it really doesn't sound like he is having a data issue, it sounds like he is having issues with GPS locks.

Check out "GPS Status & Toolbox"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2

Go to the wrench, calibrate compass and sensors, A-GPS, reset, A-GPS, download.

See if that helps.

I totally agree with this and another suggestion is to try running GPS S&T and going to the satellite page and driving around with that page open. You will be able to see which sat's are locked and how often they drop. Unfortunately, you can't run maps and GPS S&T at the same time and see both, but you should be able to tell if you are having lock issues.

Cheers
 
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Hi,
What is a lock issue and is there anything I can do about it? It is a new Samsung Galaxy 4.
So the realtime map updates and GPS are totally different things? I am just familiarising myself with how it works.

I downloaded osmand but as someone said, that may not help me because osmand still needs a constant connection to GPS doesn't it?
 
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When you receive a radio signal, you have a lock - you're locked on to the signal and can receive the message, whatever it is.

It's an old school piece of radio slang that picked up a formal meaning.

The signal that GPS satellites put out is a time code.

It's all about triangulation.

Suppose I put you between two speakers that put out a ping sound and you have magical ears - I don't know, like a bat or something ok.

If you hear both pings at exactly the same time, you would correctly conclude that you are midway between the two speakers.

Now suppose that you hear one before the other - you would correctly conclude which speaker you are closer to.

And if you knew their locations, you could do math with the speed of sound (a constant) and calculate how close you were to one and far from the other.

Now instead of a line, let's make it an area - and to do that, you need three speakers, making like the points of a triangle - and if you're inside the triangle, you can just do more of the same math to know where you are - triangulation.

Now instead of speakers, make them radio transmitters and use a radio receiver instead of ears.

Because, like sound, radio waves have a constant speed, you use the same math, different numbers, to get your location.

Your cell phone does that and it's called tower location.

But as you know from tuning your TV antenna, radio signals bounce around - a lot.

The higher the towers, so you get a better direct signal to do the math, the better.

And you can't get higher than outer space - welcome to GPS.

And the more signals you have from different directions, the more accurately you can calculate your position.

Now to just do that with simple outer space pings and have radios sensitive enough, your cell phone would only fit into the back of a pickup truck.

So instead of pings, you use an atomic clock, make all of the GPS satellites agree on precisely the same time and have them transmit time messages instead of just pings.

Still the same triangulation math but you get part of it done for you, with easier radios.

Now - you need to know where the satellites are. Turns out, in addition to time, they tell you that too.

But you have to have a starting point and you have to deal with the fact that they're not stationary - each one whips around the Earth twice a day.

To pull that off, you need an expensive, power hungry special processor, built in to car and boat GPS receivers.

But if you can find a way to cheat and just magically know the starting point, the whole thing gets simpler.

Enter a-GPS, assisted GPS, built in to your phone.

It gets assistance from the cell towers - and it gets assistance from the Internet to get the most recent GPS satellite positions to get started.

After that, GPS is GPS, just arithmetic.

The arithmetic ends up giving latitude and longitude numbers without knowing what they really mean.

Send those two numbers into a smart map that is all about latitude and longitude, boom, there's your position.

Except for a-GPS to work, your sensors, compass and starting knowledge of the satellite positions has to be good.

And often it just is.

Just as often, it gets all wonky bonky and needs to be whacked upside the head and get it right.

That's where the GPS Status & Toolbox app, along with the procedure I mentioned, comes in.

Hope this helps! :D
 
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Thanks for all of that information.
I have undertaken that process so we will see how we go.

I was getting a little disheartened last night because many people are saying that they have problems with their gps. Some videos on youtube suggest that you tighten the screws inside your phone.
Tightening screws changes data tables and calibrates power to magnetic sensors? Lmao!

Yeah. No.
 
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... I was getting a little disheartened last night because many people are saying that they have problems with their gps. Some videos on youtube suggest that you tighten the screws inside your phone.

Not all phone GPS receivers are the same. I had an HTC Desire HD - the GPS on that would take ages to get a lock, even when the phone was new, and then only see a few satellites. And very rarely indoors. I have an S4 now and that gets a lock almost instantly, even indoors, and can 'see' many more satellites. All down to the design of the GPS antennae and what chip(s) is (are) used. The 'tightening screws' bit may just mean that you'll get a better antennae connection. The antennae on my old DHD was built into a plastic part of the cover andthe part in the cover was a very thin metal layer onto plastic. This wore very quickly, hence a lot of the problems, and there was lots of advice on the interweb about soldering bits of wire between the poles etc to improve matters.

You also don't need a mobile signal (cell signal for non-UK ... :) ) to navigate as long as you have a map held on your phone. Google maps relies on downloading the map as you go - with no coverage this is obviously not possible (I know Gmaps can download "some" maps ahead of time but it's not proper off-line mapping).

Dave
 
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Your Desire HD sounds like it was defective.

My 2010 HTC was excellent, indoors as well, as was everyone else's - ours was the largest forum at that time. It was built the same as yours.

I looked to see if others had the same complaint and found this at the top of the search - http://androidforums.com/threads/htc-desire-hd-gps-transformed-from-unusable-to-perfect.310832/ - where GPS Status & Toolbox fixed the problem.

If GPS Status & Toolbox doesn't fix things, take the phone back, it's defective.

My 2011 HTC had terrible GPS the first day - my service center did a full radio test, and that was it. Went home with a new replacement, no issues.

a-GPS isn't supposed to work indoors but it does for most of us.

I agree that it varies by make and model - some are better than others.

The only truly defective design I'm aware of is the original Samsung Galaxy S - Samsung promised twice to fix it that year with updates, and after both, were still left with a number of complaints.

In big cities, or anywhere where terrain is a problem for sky view, or during weather that the phone's receiver can't deal with, a-GPS does switch over to cell tower triangulation to maintain approximate position until at least 4 satellites are in clear view for the phone.
 
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