2.2 update killed advanced task killer!


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  1. Kspringh

    Kspringh Member This Topic's Starter

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    Is anyone else having problems with the advanced task killer since 2.2 update? Battery is running down fast because task killer no longer works
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  2. electric turd

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    Worse thing you can do is use a task killer, consider it a blessing
     
  3. Kspringh

    Kspringh Member This Topic's Starter

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    How can I stop it from running everything in the background? Is there a setting that I have missed?
     
  4. digdug1

    digdug1 Well-Known Member

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    if your battery is draining faster now it isn't because of the taskiller's absence. froyo or eclair for that matter doesn't need one. i suggest going to about phone/battery use to see whats killing your battery. also try looking at spare parts/ battery history/ partial wake usage
     
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    According to the dev of "Force Close Button", the ability for one app to kill another has been removed by Google in 2.2. I believe that because I can't use Tasker to kill whatever music app I'm using when I undock my phone. So I believe task killers in 2.2 are useless.
     
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    Kspringh Member This Topic's Starter

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    Jayse, I am finding out the same thing...Google is not allowing any app to control other apps...so the force close is the only thing that is working now, I just hate having to do each app individually
     
  7. electric turd

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    Dont take it the wrong way but I think you are worrying too much about nothing at all. Android does a fine job at managing what needs to be running and closes what doesnt need to run. Just stop worrying and enjoy your phone.
     
  8. FlashIV

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    Is the facebook app still draining batteries? Check the breakdown of how your battery is being used, a lot of people were having this issue after updating to the new 1.3 facebook
     
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    I don't think so. There was an update that supposedly "fixed" it but I never read any follow-up articles after that. Not to say there aren't any, but it seems to have been fixed.

    Maps and camera are two things I need to use a task killer to end becauase I've always felt, after using two different phones, that they still remain open in the background, although not at full-blast. Still, enough to cause a significant drain on battery over time.
     
  10. StrifeJester

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    All I know is that I uninstalled ATK after I forced to 2.2 and couldn't be happier. My battery lasts longer than it ever used to now. I have told everyone I know that has ATK installed to scrap it. If you are really worried about something running I usggest following the suggestions here and see what is taking up battery and doing a few forces. Again though I don't touch anything and my battery is way better than before ATK, it seems like its constant app checking was the worst thing for Android. I even went into the market to drop my star rating.
     
  11. Lock-N-Load

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    hmm... where exactly did you confirm that in 2.2 a TK is not needed? I am a fan and TK user. As we know, VZW would often load and suggest ATK. So when/where did it become known that 2.2 stopped making having a TK useful. If anything, I notice SO many more apps running in the background under 2.2. Apps that are never used or called upon. No reason to open the ATK debate here as that has been done, but I am curious where it is said to no longer needed in 2.2 as many said the same in 2.01 and 2.1. what changed?

    and BTW - I notice more battery use in 2.2 and both Spare Parts and Phone > Battery user don't show me any culprits. Same services as the past are the big users, nothing new is sucking battery but I do notice less battery life. Culprit? Maybe the 15 app's it continually starts up in the BG?

    so an app that you used and liked and thought highly enough to use "until" you went to 2.2 you went back and dropped ratings on because you went to 2.2? you docked the dev for what exactly??? how are they on the hook?
     
  12. badtheba

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    The same as with any OS, background processes use resources... If I have opened 10-20 apps, and navigate away from them, and can't visibly see that they are still running without going into some kind of menu, then YES, a task manager is very useful to me. Updated OTA to 2.2 this morning and Advanced Task Killer Free is working beautifully still. I have had my phone unplugged since 3:30 AM EST and so far battery usage seems pretty typical. Easily 2-3 times longer battery life than my friend's brand new HTC Incredible, and she never has wi-fi, GPS, Bluetooth, or background sync running (we have looked at and disabled nearly every background process on hers). I have all of these things running at various times and get 24-36 hours on a full charge. Using the ATK widget, at times it will report 15 or more tasks killed, and I use custom ignore lists. You can't tell me that the OS is doing the job of managing or somehow "knowing" what I need open at any given time. It's not practical.
     
  13. MahoVader

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    http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/18334-task-killer-apps-truth.html

    Linux systems work differently. Lots of info in that previous thread. This has been written about ad infinitum, including some very technical blogs (which I don't remember the addresses of... they may be bookmarked on my laptop at home, so I can reference them later if you like).

    I really enjoyed ATK for the longest time. Took a leap of faith after installing 2.2, got rid of ATK completely, and it certainly has not affected my battery life adversely. No regrets!
     
  14. VIO

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    If i remember correctly your observation makes sense with the other that there is MORE running in the background in froyo.

    ATK is actively killing more stuff more often, which causes that nonspecific battery drain.

    Also, I believe more stuff is "running" in froyo because JIT (just in time) compiling is turned on and cranking in Froyo.

    I don't want to get into the the Task Killer argument again, its been done a million times. If you say a TK helps performance then great I believe you, but the slow downs and battery life issues reported by a lot of people are clearly (and self admittedly) NOT performance advantages.
     
  15. Lock-N-Load

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    well.. I am not saying it helps or hurts, never said as much in any thread. BUT, I did say that it never made sense to me to open ATK and see apps I never use, never did use, or hardly ever use active and waiting to fire IF called upon. Logically, that seems to me be a processor cycle waste.

    Now, something I should be clear on. Unlike many others, I do not have ATK set to actively kill apps. I do it manually. So, I think that makes my settings different than most and maybe why they claim - since 2.2 - better battery life as they use to have ATK actively kill apps whereas I manually go in now and then and kill them.
     
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    been there, done that thread :)

    you say "and it certainly has not affected my battery life adversely." but you do not say did it HELP your battery life to bail out on ATK in 2.2?
     
  17. VIO

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    again just some general info:

    Android identifies apps along a hierarchy of active-ness (totally not a word:rolleyes:). the lowest level of APP life is Empty_App which is little more then a reference loaded into the ram. These apps don't use cpu cycles or battery life.

    So many of the apps that are "running" according to task killer can be these apps. the list is misleading because while launcherPro and Amazon Mp3 may both be showing up only LP is actually "running" in the sense we generally mean.

    yeah so Granted sometimes Android isn't really as smart as people would have you think about what apps I use often or like, but at least when it is stupid it doesn't cost anything :p

    I like MinFree Manager (root!) as a memory management tool since it lets me just adjust the system thresholds for each genre of app, rather than to artificially or haphazardly kill open stuff (traditional TK)
     
  18. badtheba

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    Agreed. I had ATK set to autokill (the lightest setting) for about ten minutes, until it killed my Cardio Trainer program during a workout. I figured my own preference, timing, and ignore lists would be better than letting any manager handle it for me.

    I really don't care near as much about battery life as I do about performance, and for those saying that a dormant app is not consuming battery under 2.2, so therefore, let the OS handle what runs and what doesn't, that's complete rubbish. I've been running 2.2 for only a few hours, and already I notice lag on opening some apps or sliding on home screens, UNTIL I kill all unused apps or processes with ATK, then I get the speed back with much less lag. Things like City Caller ID, which is only used on an incoming call, don't need to be running when I am connecting to a Windows machine with Remote RDP... For me it makes sense to be in control.

    Battery life be darned, it lasts longer than even my KRZR did at times, lol, what do I have to complain about?
     
  19. VIO

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    to each his own, I do not have those lag problems (totally possible)

    Content providers (the next level to be killed in the hierarchy) do use battery/cpu since they are "sync" services, but honestly the best way to keep them from running unnecessarily is to adjust app settings (if there are any).

    Android is a double edged sword, it kicks ass if apps are designed efficiently, but if the apps are hogs, or not told (by their dev) how to behave in the various App Life States they can chew through your phones resources.

    What do you do if you need that poorly designed app? Not much. it's like trying to run something on a computer it is not designed for.
     
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    I'm not pleased with 2.2 at all. It's totally trashed my settings (notifications, ringtones, wifi)
     
  21. Jebus

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    I use Advance Task Killer. It doesn't slow my phone down or anything. Matter of fact, it makes my phone run smoother and faster once I kill apps.
     
  22. MahoVader

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    Yeah, that was just for reference in case someone missed it. :)

    You know, I really think ATK benefits us mostly from the placebo effect. You feel like you're doing something because you can see an immediate result, therefore your performance seems better. From what I've found as an ex-ATK enthusiast, 2.2 works just fine without it. It's hard to specifically say if my battery life is much better or not, because there are so many other factors (usage different daily, lots of new apps and upgrades, kernals etc). All I can say with any certainty is that it's not worse and there has been no degradation of performance that I can see.

    About my ATK usage, like you, I never let it autokill. I had it set up and tweaked to only touch specific things, and some of the stuff in running services it never could affect anyway. I might try out that MinFree Manager though.
     
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    If you want to kill your own tasks , just go into manage applications in settings. Froyo added a running tab where you can force close what you don't want running.
     
  25. Lock-N-Load

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    yep, he is credible no doubt and more knowledgeable on such topics than I.

    BUT.... when I see apps loaded up that I did not load or never use or have never used, then to me, the system in place is suspect. And that is just as good as logic as "hey, the Droid does a good enough job." Heck, all we do in rooting and messing with these phones is precisely because these phones - we decided - do not do what we want them to do or have a weak area we want to improve. So logically, to me, it is not inconceivable that the Droid's JIT handling and implementation of starting apps not needed or never needed only to have to just kill them if it needs those resources - rather than taking the nanosecond to start them when they are really needed - is a glaring weakness like all the others we are trying to improve on with apps and rooting techniques. No reason to believe, IMHO, this is any different as to me it clearly seems flawed. Thus, I am a TK believer until I get more substantial and meaty proof as the utility of a TK is as logical, even more so, then buying into Droid's method of handling resources.
     

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