The "Linux questions (and other stuff)" thread

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  1. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    If the FOSS utility disks can't do it, I go to pay-for products from Microsoft Platinum Partners like Paragon. The way I see it, Windows is a commercial product, and is always doing things to discourage FOSS solutions. So if you must have Windows, you must pony up for the pay-for utilities that are MS-blessed. "Let the company pay for it" is my motto re Windows.

  2. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    Hey, don't forget who you're talking to, now!

    I know that a Linux distribution is a conglomeration of the Linux kernel, some 3rd party device drivers, a whole bunch of utilities (and not just from GUN either), an X server and a desktop environment or two.

    What I'm trying to understand is what in particular makes Kubuntu so unacceptable that you'd want to roll your own. Plenty of Linux users do "from scratch" installs just for fun, I know. But if I don't particularly want to do the extra work, what's my motivation for doing it vs. just using Kubuntu as palmtree5 was saying?

    Hmmm... It looks to me like Canonical's product line simply doesn't meet my high standards.

    I've tried installing KDE from the site, and I quickly got bogged down with dependencies. One of the great things about OpenSUSE is that Yast takes care of the dependencies for me, so I don't have to do the drudgery. It's also more correct because they test their metapackages thoroughly before they release them.

    It also looks like you're not against Kubuntu...

    You know, I no longer care! :sleep:
  3. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    This is about KDE specific music management and player software. I use Rhythmbox out of choice, which is actually a GTK application, but I'm using the KDE desktop. There's two KDE specific apps that I'm aware of.

    Amarok: Which appears to be horribly complex and bloated. It seems to be obsessed with going off to Wikipedia and showing stuff about every song it plays, and because I'm in China that can make things very slow. I don't want that. Yet at the same time it doesn't even offer a graphic equalizer, Rhythmbox has this.

    JuK: Which I think is just too basic and appears rather unfinished. Plus it has major problems with many ID3 tags.

    These are the two recommended on the website.

    There are others but these are more general media players, rather than music management.
  4. MoodyBlues

    MoodyBlues - Crazy peacock person -

    :eviltongue: :laugh:

    It's not--at least not to me. It's what I use as my default distro.

    When Kubuntu has already done all the work for you, why bother piecing together KDE on top of an existing *nix?

    Well, crap. :mad: My standards are obviously much lower than yours! Because Canonical's products have worked out just fine for me. :D

    That's one of the issues I had in mind when I said that installing KDE directly can be a daunting task for a Linux newbie.

    Synaptic in *buntu does that, too, and apt-get should on its own--but if it doesn't, or if the user wants to make sure it will, that's easily accomplished with the correct command line arguments. For example:

    Code (Text):
    2. build-dep
    3.            build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source
    4.            package.
    6. check
    7.            check is a diagnostic tool; it updates the package cache and checks for broken dependencies.
    9. --install-suggests
    10.            Consider suggested packages as a dependency for installing. Configuration Item: APT::Install-Suggests.
    12. -d, --download-only
    13.            Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or installed. Configuration Item:  APT::Get::Download-Only.
    15. -f, --fix-broken
    16.            Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This option, when used with install/remove,
    17.            can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely solution. If packages are specified, these have to
    18.            completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes necessary when running APT for the first time; APT
    19.            itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system. It is possible that a system's
    20.            dependency structure can be so corrupt as to require manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(1)
    21.            or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages). Use of this option together with -m may produce
    22.            an error in some situations. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Fix-Broken.
    No, not at all. As I said, it's my default Linux, and has been since its first release.
  5. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    I've merged the "Linux" thread into this "Linux questions and other stuff.." thread, as it appeared to be about Linux questions and Linux discussion in general.

    Any questions or problems PM me. :)
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  6. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    From my understanding, unless it has changed since first coming out, Kubuntu is not an official Canonical distro. Canonical does not support it.

    Using the Ubuntu's official or add official KDE repositories should let you install KDE using Ubuntu's software management program. Now what all it does or doesn't install I really can't say. Sometimes there are certain ways to install it to get the full installation or get a minimum installation.

    Using Mageia and other distros that is how I do a minimum installation of KDE, because I do not want all/every package included. Also there is a way to install KDE from, certain packages and in a certain order to get it installed without dependency hell. It depends on the distro's package management system too.

    Just my thoughts.
  7. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    Amarok: one more reason why I went back to KDE 3.5! The pre-Plasma version of Amarok is downright lean in comparison.

    I never had a need for graphic EQ in the past, and I'm not about to start now. :proud:

    Speaking of China and the Internet, the news here is that it takes two people to use the Internet over there: one to go online, and the other to watch everything that the first guy is doing. :laugh: Maybe that's why some things are slow...
  8. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    My understanding is that Canonical made a solemn pledge that *buntu would forever remain under the guidance of the community. And nobody seriously believes that. :p

    The last time I checked (just now), the official Ubuntu website more than acknowledges Kubuntu. Must be like "having your cake and eating it too" for them.
  9. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    I guess it did support Kubuntu but reading this is saying they are not.

    Ubuntu pulls the 'official' plug on Kubuntu | TechRepublic

    I don't know what to think. I'm not a big Buntu fan either.
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  10. 9to5cynic

    9to5cynic Well-Known Member

    I imagine I'll always have warm memories of Ubuntu, I think it was the 8.04 edition that I first used. I'm not sure, however, if I'll continue to use it in the future. I guess time will tell, we'll see what happens with the unified environments (phone/tablet/pc).

    My next distros will probably be either back to Debian or another go with arch.

    That being said, any of you guys try out cmus for music playback? I've been really digging it (especially on my already taxed netbook). Very lightweight (it is a terminal application after all). :) :D
  11. MoodyBlues

    MoodyBlues - Crazy peacock person -

    Shit. I had actually FORGOTTEN about that announcement...which was made a year ago. :eek: But the last year has been like something out of a really bad dream for me, and thinking about stuff like Canonical pulling the official plug from Kubuntu, and turning it over to community based support on its *buntu infrastructure just wasn't important enough to keep in my head.

    As I recall, Kubuntu will continue, just not as an official branch of Ubuntu.

    Shame on you!! ;)
  12. palmtree5

    palmtree5 Sunny Vacation Supporter! Moderator

    I personally haven't used Ubuntu in a while. I'm currently running Arch. At some point, I might try to give this a go
  13. argedion

    argedion The TechnoFrog Moderator

    I'm against humanity there for I fedora the sabayon :D
  14. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    It's the same as Mageia, a KDE community based distro, which forked away from Mandriva. Closely the same but ran by different organizations. But I went against the grain and used Gnome 2 and now trying out G3 and did a minimum install of KDE4. I'm weird like that.

    I have not hate for Ubuntu...thinking about giving Unity another go!

    @9to5cynic, my two fall back distros are always Debian & Slackware, if and when I may need a distro to get installed quickly and on any type of hardware.
  15. mikedt

    mikedt 你好 Guide

    I sometimes like to tweak the bass and treble a bit, depending on what speakers I'm using when listening to music. I've got no large fixed home speaker system, because of location and travel.

    Often it's just the bandwidth in and out of the PRC, can be very slow, plus whatever local connectivity can be slow as well. It's usually OK for looking at Android Forums though and reading the news.

    Thing is I couldn't see an option in Amarok to disable the Wikipedia junk, often Wikipedia is censored and Amarok was just hanging waiting for a response it. I know I'm playing Bob Marley, I know he died in 1981, I don't need to know everything else about him Amarok and what studio the song was recorded in. :rolleyes:

    Actually to get on-line can take two people. I wanted to buy a new pre-paid SIM for my China Telecom EV-DO dongle. The village China Telecom store computer wouldn't take my British passport as ID, I had to get a friend to come in with his Chinese ID card and do it for me.
  16. 9to5cynic

    9to5cynic Well-Known Member

    That looks pretty nice. I'll have to try that out at some point.
  17. saptech

    saptech Well-Known Member

    I just installed but can't seem to get anything to show or play. How do you play a song? Do I type the command with a song title?

    Maybe it has something to do with me running Mageia Beta, I've had issues with MOC also. Moc is another terminal music player.
  18. 9to5cynic

    9to5cynic Well-Known Member

    Okay, you have to first add the songs from the directory. View(I think it's 5?)... then it should show up in 1. Then its enter to start.
  19. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    Amarok appeared to look like a decent music player but i couldn't get it to work at all. it kept asking me to install the codecs required for MP3s and even if i told it to it still wouldn't work. ended up removing it and installed Clementine..

    FYI Mom's issue with the Wifi was fixed with 'use as system connection' and disabling its link to KDE Wallet. however her wallpaper still seems to reset itself to the out-of-box wallpaper image instead of her preference which is new to me, it has never happened on my computer with Kubuntu or Ubuntu with KDE added onto it

    @MikeDT, Clementine offers a pretty good EQ w/Pre-Amp and presets, too
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  20. nickdalzell

    nickdalzell Well-Known Member Contributor

    New glitch on my laptop...finished updating software and it asked me to restart, now when i get back up and try to install through the software center i get this error:

    Software can't be installed or removed because the authentication service is not available. (org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.Error.Failed: ('system-bus-name', {'name': ':1.68'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages

    the password prompt never appears then this error comes up. however, if i log into Unity it works fine. ???

    also the 'update' to Flash-Plugin deleted it or rendered it inert forcing me to manually install the '' into the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins folder.
  21. MoodyBlues

    MoodyBlues - Crazy peacock person -

    @nick, I'm barely coherent right now--virtually no sleep last night, after an exhausting day of imaginary conversations with my mom. So this is the best I can do right now...

    Sounds like something got corrupted. Try this:

    Code (Text):
    1. mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.orig
    and then see if you can log in via KDE.

    Alternatively, create a new user and log in with it using KDE.

    Neither of these will FIX the problem, they'll just narrow it down.
  22. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    I was really serious about audio stuff when I was young, and learned how to use speaker placement and room treatments to get the ideal sound without needing to use electronic EQ. The electromechanical EQ units of the day were notorious for causing as many aural problems as they solved. I had good results with parametric EQ back then, but back then parametric units cost a lot! I used them professionally, when someone else was paying the equipment rental fees. But at home I eschewed all EQ. It was pretty easy to do since I didn't have any EQ of any sort on my home audio equipment. (Excepting the RIAA EQ in my phono preamps, of course.) If it's not there at all, it can't be a temptation. :laugh:

    The older, QT3-based version is blissfully without that "feature".

    Wow, that's something. You must face a lot of paradox over there. Thanks for giving me a peek! :beer:
  23. Speed Daemon

    Speed Daemon Disabled

    FYI, I had a .kde4 directory when KDE4 came out. There was one other hidden directory too for KDE4, but I don't recall which.
  24. argedion

    argedion The TechnoFrog Moderator

    Maybe its just me but I really like VLC it works great and has never given me an issue. It has a CLI as well however I've never used it. Guess I'm a die hard graphic geek.
  25. argedion

    argedion The TechnoFrog Moderator

    Since I'm only using KDE in Sabayon atm I have a folder called .kde4 but no folder named .kde. Not sure if its the same in *buntu or not.

    I hoped that helps :D

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