I work at BJs Wholesale Club that has a verizon store inside and the sales rep today showed me the thunderbolt shipment they just receieved, was about 10 of them but he said they couldn't be sold until this Thursday. He said something about him thinking that they seemed to be refurbished, not sure how that would be so, but yeah. Sorry if it has been posted but I'm on my phone and couldn't search and I wanted to let you guys know.