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why make tiny incremental improvements that require extensive knowledge and explanations and arguments for the average person to see. [/B]

instead of addressing that argument, I keep getting explanations of why they are improvements. I know those already.

just saying the phone should have the extra .2ghz so there's not confusion, the extra 3 mp, the hd plus screen so it doesn't look like it's going backwards, the hdmi so everyone knows about it, and the one thing that actually does bug me, the sd storage.

Because it not.currently or has.it even been a phone marketed toward the average consumer. Yes there are indications that it is becoming more popular but it is not designed with the intention of being as ubiquitous as the iphone. It is made with tech geeks in mind - which is becoming a trendier pastime.
 
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1 - I saw a video of testing the 0 lag feature
2- i know this explanation, my point is since there are 1.5 ghz phones out just make it easy for the average joe to spot the faster processor. please reread the last couple sentences in the post you quoted.
3 - the average consumer is more familiar with hdmi though
4 - i said that there are people that claim it *never* matters. I said that is not true. as to the 720p screen of the nexus i said "we'll see." because you're right, i haven't seen it yet

i think my point is kinda lost. maybe this isn't the right place to make it. the point is this - why make tiny incremental improvements that require extensive knowledge and explanations and arguments for the average person to see.

instead of addressing that argument, I keep getting explanations of why they are improvements. I know those already.

just saying the phone should have the extra .2ghz so there's not confusion, the extra 3 mp, the hd plus screen so it doesn't look like it's going backwards, the hdmi so everyone knows about it, and the one thing that actually does bug me, the sd storage.

Maybe to make the Gnex2 in 6 months?
 
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Gapi - what is your take on the 5MP v. 8MP camera debate?? Some are saying the GNex will not have great pics because it is only 5MP

I know you asked Gapi, but I'll chime in.

Anyone who states just because it "only" has a 5MP sensor, it won't take good pics is someone to not listen to about cameras.

I'd take a good quality 5MP camera over a lousy 12MP camera anyday. Megapixels is about the resolution of the image on the sensor. But that's only part of the story, not like a display. To get all that light onto the sensor, you need a larger opening or you have to let the image stay on the sensor longer. That means slower, blurrier pictures, all else equal.

You can have good quality in both 5MP and 8MP cameras, but for most things, the higher the resolution, the more noise you also get. Generally you have to shoot in higher ISOs to get a decent shutter speed. I've seen some of the GNex photos at ISO 50! :eek:
 
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You better keep a close eye on her, if not careful, she could become a nice chew toy for those new puppies! :)


Thy went after their daddy's fruit phone and my charge a few times today - i think the slightly rubber cases make them look like toys! Ha. They will learn quick to stay away from mommy's screens if they're anything like their big sister was.
 
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Hmmm Scotty might be a good name for my Gnex (yes I name my phones - OG was Alfred, laptop is Floyd and desktop is Steve. Oh and my car is Kevin ) lol

Doesn't look like there was much gained over the weekend? Anyone still doing the twitter giveaway game?

I have never thought of naming my phone...My Mach 1 is Jezabel.(The other woman)
 
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Yes the same thing has happened with my inc2. It never slowed down it never froze it never deleted my widgets and force closed sense every 2 seconds until 2 weeks ago. And it also started deleting my system apps like calender,dock mode, and browser. I want out


If you root your DInc 2 with CyanogenMod you'll stop seeing these problems. Even though I am getting the Nexus and giving my wife the DInc 2, I will be sad to give up this phone. CyanogenMod for this phone is a completely bug-free experience. Best phone I have had yet. I won't let my wife get the iPhone unless she cries for it. That is how I see it. Plus, she gets all my awesome hand-me-downs. Anyway, root your DInc 2...you might feel a little sad when you let it go. PM me if you want to root and need help.

jmar

P.S. I just want a Nexus already!
 
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why make tiny incremental improvements that require extensive knowledge and explanations and arguments for the average person to see.

instead of addressing that argument, I keep getting explanations of why they are improvements. I know those already.

just saying the phone should have the extra .2ghz so there's not confusion, the extra 3 mp, the hd plus screen so it doesn't look like it's going backwards, the hdmi so everyone knows about it, and the one thing that actually does bug me, the sd storage.

I don't think the Nexus project has ever been about making a phone that overpowers every other phone on the market. If it was done that way it would be a mistake on Google's part. They would be presenting something that could cause trouble with their current Android partners.

The Nexus project is about delivering a pure Google experience phone the way that Google wants it. With all the custom UIs and bloatware showing up on other phones Google is trying to offer a phone that is 100% their vision of how Android should be. The reason that it comes out better for most people is that they have the hardware more matched with the software. It is one phone out of hundreds released each year that Google can claim as their own and the only time that Android and Apple can closely be compared properly. Hardware and software matched together to offer the best experience available, this is what Nexus is about.

I know this isn't exactly what you are asking, but I hope it comes close to answering your question anyway.
 
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while engadget or others may post an article about the inferiority of some of these features, i really don't think a majority of the market really places much stock in those items.

i understand your point about the 8mp (although as others have explained, its a tradeoff). but for example, 5 out of 6 people in my family are on android devices. 4 of them would not know the difference btwn 1.5 and 1.2ghz, would not even realize it came with an SD slot or not, and has no idea why anyone would complain about a pentile screen. aside from myself, and i presume the relatively few of us that geek out over this stuff, i don't think those are the marketing features mainstream android users are sold on. most people don't see the hardware on the inside. they see the brand on the outside and the gui on the screen.

if there's one thing i've seen is that the integrated and relatively seamless google experience that android provides is what brings people back to android. android has the ability to fill a very large number of niche markets. want a keyboard, you got it. want a phablet, you got it. want an 8mp camera, you got it. use an SD slot, you got. monster/removable battery, etc. you got it.

i think many of us here recognize the power of gnexamus and the exciting google experience that ICS will bring.

you could be right. I think that the average consumer knows enough to see the specs, but not enough to know how to interpret them. Engadget is a pretty mainstream blog in our technocentric society. i've seen spec comparisons on even more mainstream places, especially in business blogs and the LA times.

for example, the average consumer "knows" cameras are judged in MP. they might notice the 8 vs 5 mp comparison. But they will not know the extended explanation given by EarlyMon and others about why 5mp is actually better and necessary for shutter lag.
 
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Love to talk the camera stuff.
I get a kick when the uninformed innocents see the drop from 8MP to 5MP and react without knowing the actual effect.

Most shooters do not even use 2MP of the available 8MP and resize the thing for the Webb or their phone anyways.

I want to believe the 5MP sensor option by Samsung was chosen for its image quality over an 8MP sensor but who knows. The shortened lag credit goes to the image file processor, not the sensor.

Also know that the storage space will like the 5MP better.

What never comes up is the glass. I guess its not worth mentioning to the phone market yet but ask any pro what the basic equipment priority is and he will give the the Real-estate Agent answer, Good Glass, Good Glass, Good Glass.
When they need an advertizing edge over the competition they will get the likes of Carl Zeiss or Leica to put their glass and brand on it.

Lots of people forget to wipe the finger oil off the phones lens "Cover" any ways so....

There are SGII low light examples out there that have me looking forward the the GN's camera performance.

Can't wait.
 
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1 - I saw a video of testing the 0 lag feature

Let me show you another one (nexus is on the right, obviously)

iPhone 4S vs Galaxy Nexus Camera speed test - YouTube

2- i know this explanation, my point is since there are 1.5 ghz phones out just make it easy for the average joe to spot the faster processor. please reread the last couple sentences in the post you quoted.

There is one (1) 1.5 ghz phone out there, and that's the Rezound (correct me if I'm wrong).
If we're talking about average joes, I don't think they'd be comparing processor speeds anyway. Just saying. Average Joes would notice, though, if their Rezound/Nexus went from 100% to 20% in 3 hours.

3 - the average consumer is more familiar with hdmi though

I'll give you that. However, you can still tell the average consumer "hey, this phone can output video to your TV if you need it, all you need to buy is this $20 cable".
4 - i said that there are people that claim it *never* matters. I said that is not true. as to the 720p screen of the nexus i said "we'll see." because you're right, i haven't seen it yet

I haven't seen anyone actually arguing that pentile never matters. I think we can all agree that Pentile on the original Galaxy S phones and the Bionic was pretty noticeable for a lot of people. However, since this whole discussion seems to be about average consumers, what matters when it comes to the screen is appearances rather than buzzwords, and from the initial reviews, the Nexus screen is sharp and crisp. But yeah, definitely judge for yourself, everyone notices different things.
i think my point is kinda lost. maybe this isn't the right place to make it. the point is this - why make tiny incremental improvements that require extensive knowledge and explanations and arguments for the average person to see.

Ok. Ice Cream Sandwich is hardly a tiny incremental improvement. It's noticeable to everyone who even looks at the phone and improves the overall user experience. In fact, that's the point of the incremental improvements too. Not only does it look good for advertising, when using the phone, you notice things like how fast the camera is, or how smooth the phone is, or how sharp the screen is. In the end, it's all about the user experience. If people really enjoy using their phone, they'll tell others about it, and the hype will build.

Look at the iPhone. They make only incremental improvements in each generation, and the specs are vastly inferior to competing Android phones, and yet, it appeals to the average consumer mostly because of the solid user experience. If that's something the Nexus has, it'll succeed as well. The improvements they've made are steps in that direction.

Whew, ok, I think I'm gonna switch to lurk mode now :D
 
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I don't think the Nexus project has ever been about making a phone that overpowers every other phone on the market. If it was done that way it would be a mistake on Google's part. They would be presenting something that could cause trouble with their current Android partners.

The Nexus project is about delivering a pure Google experience phone the way that Google wants it. With all the custom UIs and bloatware showing up on other phones Google is trying to offer a phone that is 100% their vision of how Android should be. The reason that it comes out better for most people is that they have the hardware more matched with the software. It is one phone out of hundreds released each year that Google can claim as their own and the only time that Android and Apple can closely be compared properly. Hardware and software matched together to offer the best experience available, this is what Nexus is about.

I know this isn't exactly what you are asking, but I hope it comes close to answering your question anyway.
I just want to let you know that this post, over all others, made me 100 times more excited about this phone. Just so you know.
 
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Slightly off topic here, regarding the SD card (or lack of) Would there be any speed benefit of using internal storage for everything instead of sd card? Basically I'm wondering if a gain in performance would be the reason to leave out the sd card. People see benefits of different sd cards and different speed cards, so is internal storage faster than external?
 
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I don't think the Nexus project has ever been about making a phone that overpowers every other phone on the market. If it was done that way it would be a mistake on Google's part. They would be presenting something that could cause trouble with their current Android partners.

The Nexus project is about delivering a pure Google experience phone the way that Google wants it. With all the custom UIs and bloatware showing up on other phones Google is trying to offer a phone that is 100% their vision of how Android should be. The reason that it comes out better for most people is that they have the hardware more matched with the software. It is one phone out of hundreds released each year that Google can claim as their own and the only time that Android and Apple can closely be compared properly. Hardware and software matched together to offer the best experience available, this is what Nexus is about.

I know this isn't exactly what you are asking, but I hope it comes close to answering your question anyway.

if that is the case, then that make sense. although if its just for pure google experience that could be done on very low spec hardware as well. but yet they chose to use pretty high end specs as it is evident to us. I was operating under the assumption that they were doing this to make money. in which case they need to hit the average consumer, and hard, with so much competition.
 
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Hard to argue with that. I find it is the first thing I check in the morning, peek in whenever I can, attached to my personal while watching sports (like now) and even for extended trips to the rest room. That's right, I said it, I read phandroid in the can and don't lie, you know some of you do too. ;)

And my wife also thought I was nuts for how much time I spend reading this forum, but she's given up and just shakes her head.

I admitted a couple pages back to the bathroom reading. Lol. And this thread replaced Facebook as the first thing I read in the morning.


Love to talk the camera stuff.
I get a kick when the uninformed innocents see the drop from 8MP to 5MP and react without knowing the actual effect.

Most shooters do not even use 2MP of the available 8MP and resize the thing for the Webb or their phone anyways.

I want to believe the 5MP sensor option by Samsung was chosen for its image quality over an 8MP sensor but who knows. The shortened lag credit goes to the image file processor, not the sensor.

Also know that the storage space will like the 5MP better.

What never comes up is the glass. I guess its not worth mentioning to the phone market yet but ask any pro what the basic equipment priority is and he will give the the Real-estate Agent answer, Good Glass, Good Glass, Good Glass.
When they need an advertizing edge over the competition they will get the likes of Carl Zeiss or Leica to put their glass and brand on it.

Lots of people forget to wipe the finger oil off the phones lens "Cover" any ways so....

There are SGII low light examples out there that have me looking forward the the GN's camera performance.

Can't wait.

I don't forget to! And I have even taken a q-tip and put a microfiber cloth over it and wiped it off.
 
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Heh! I keep hearing the term "Zero Shutter Lag". Its not as much as we are used to in a phone but not Zero either. Not even DSLR cameras have Zero shutter Lag. And I know some will want to say its just a figure of speach but.......

Below this shutter comparison chart is an auto focus spec also. I shoot a 50D

[FONT=&quot]Shutter Lag [/FONT][FONT=&quot](press-to-capture, pre-focused)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Camera[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Time (seconds)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Canon EOS 50D[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.02[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nikon D90[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.03[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Pentax K20D[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.04[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Sony Alpha DSLR-A350[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.08[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]AF Acquisition [/FONT][FONT=&quot](press-to-capture, no pre-focus)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Camera[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Time (seconds)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nikon D90[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.17[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Canon EOS 50D[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Sony Alpha DSLR-A350[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.21[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot]Pentax K20D[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0.28

[/FONT]
The Canon 50D scored an impressive single-point AF lag time of 0.131 sec. The auto-area AF wasn't much slower, as 0.174 second.
Pre-focused, the Canon 50D managed a very impressive 0.063 second lag time.
 
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1 - I saw a video of testing the 0 lag feature
2- i know this explanation, my point is since there are 1.5 ghz phones out just make it easy for the average joe to spot the faster processor. please reread the last couple sentences in the post you quoted.
3 - the average consumer is more familiar with hdmi though
4 - i said that there are people that claim it *never* matters. I said that is not true. as to the 720p screen of the nexus i said "we'll see." because you're right, i haven't seen it yet

i think my point is kinda lost. maybe this isn't the right place to make it. the point is this - why make tiny incremental improvements that require extensive knowledge and explanations and arguments for the average person to see.

instead of addressing that argument, I keep getting explanations of why they are improvements. I know those already.

just saying the phone should have the extra .2ghz so there's not confusion, the extra 3 mp, the hd plus screen so it doesn't look like it's going backwards, the hdmi so everyone knows about it, and the one thing that actually does bug me, the sd storage.

Your question is easy to answer.

Because most of the technology wasn't available, or they used superior technology that you don't recognize as such.

1. Zero Lag is an improvement anyway you slice it. Those in the "know" prefer a better lower MP camera than a lousy higher MP camera. Does the average consumer know? Probably not, it's thier loss. There's a ton of people who think a 1.8L turbo 300hp car that gets 15/25mpg is much more efficient than a 6.2L 436hp that gets 18/26, because it's a smaller engine. Stupid is as stupid does.

2. Processor - 1.2GHz OMAP 4460. Honestly, I do agree that this should be 1.5GHz. I myself have OMAP samples running 1.5GHz. Why they chose 1.2, I have no idea, perhaps it was for battery life. But I assure you there was a reason, it's not done because they are trying any trickery. Keep in mind, that this processor was selected almost a year ago when the design started. It takes close to a year to design a phone to market. This is what they picked, and this was the best it could do. Do you honestly expect them to scrap the design because there may be something better, and have to start all over from scratch. Design decisions are made long before, and you have to live the the consequences of such.

3. The average consumer may be more familiar with HDMI, but not micro-HDMI either. Most are acustomed to the fact that they'll need a special cable. The point you miss is MHL is HDMI, but with extra features, like being able to charge your phone while playing back a movie, something that is seriously lacking in HDMI only cables. While you complain about it, know that most newer phone will be coming with a MHL port in the future. Micro HDMI isn't going to be supported anymore. Consumers will get used to it, much like display port, and much like they got used to HDMI instead of component.

4. Why not the HD SAMOLED+ screen? It's simple, Samsung can't manufacture it yet. They can't print a 316dpi screen in full RGB. The decision was to use AMOLED, and this was the best they could do.

5. SD storage. This is pure Google's decision. Nexus S doesn't have SD card either. You either live with thier decision here, or you move on. No further explanation necessary.

Honestly, I don't care if this phone looks great on Spec sheets. What I care about is the end result. Your argument about incremental improvements is somewhat off base, whether average consumers will recognize that is anyone's guess. This is Google's development phone. In short time, there will be phones that blow the GNex out of the water. ICS is the star here, along with hardware that is quite good.

The part you're missing is the design aspect where decisions are made many months ago. Not only are they designing a new phone, but a new OS as well, so some of the hardware choices had to stagnate to get a stable OS build. That's the way it works in the industry. I think they did the best they could given the constraints.
 
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