Help Battery discussions, maintaining battery life

[EarlyMon]

I can see how this issue is a hot topic of its own, so I have moved posts here to start this thread.

If that's a problem for anyone, please let me know.

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From my post in the voting thread -

I voted the love, but had they given it a replaceable battery, I'd have called it perfect.

 

[SamuraiBigEd]

The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone. They aren't really giving you that much more on the battery and the EVO's have never been known for good battery life, the OG Evo never lasted me more than 12 hrs on a charge max and the 3D was only slightly better and I can run both down in 4-6 hours on a busy day. I always get a Seidio extended battery for my devices and if I can't for this one I won't be buying.

Other than that, it looks great but I wish they went the route of the Note and gave us a much bigger screen. Hopefully HTC will realize this is a feature people want and release one soon.

 

[Rush]

The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone.

Not necessarily...why? An efficient processor with a 2AH battery and the ability to use a small external battery pack should take care of maybe 95% of people's needs or more.

What I'm surprised about, is the fact that with all the added features - the device is as slim as is.

 

[EarlyMon]

Processor efficiency cannot overcome radio or screen lighting inefficiencies, it can mitigate them.

PS to Rush -

I think that we would all love a 200 Ah battery, but it take a while to charge, lol. (Just teasing, you meant to say, 2000 mAh aka 2 Ah.)

 

[caseyatbt]

The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone. They aren't really giving you that much more on the battery and the EVO's have never been known for good battery life, the OG Evo never lasted me more than 12 hrs on a charge max and the 3D was only slightly better and I can run both down in 4-6 hours on a busy day. I always get a Seidio extended battery for my devices and if I can't for this one I won't be buying.

Other than that, it looks great but I wish they went the route of the Note and gave us a much bigger screen. Hopefully HTC will realize this is a feature people want and release one soon.

I agree. If it wasn't for the battery, this would be my next phone. I stream and browse throughout the day and don't usually have a place to plug it in until I get home. I really love this phone, it is too bad that it won't work for me.

 

[EarlyMon]

Posts moved to seed new thread, if it's a problem for anyone, please let me know.

 

[some.devil]

The non-replaceable battery will kill this phone.

I would disagree. Qualcomm claims 70% reduction in power consumption with the MSM8960 chip. 2000mAh should be more than enough to swing 15+ hours from this phone with nominal usage.

 

[NaterTots]

Yeah, the battery isn't really an issue to me either. I use my phone alot and with a Sprint 2600 I can go a very long day.
I could see the CPU making great advancements in the two years that the EVO 4G has been out. Technology moves really fast.

Plus how many people buy Iphones and don't complain about the built in battery? i just hope that changing the battery after a year or so is a simple DIY job.
Can't wait to see some tear downs of this phone to see the internals.

If it is a weird shape battery it helps to keep the phone's case size down by having it non-removable. I think it's a great looking phone (not into rounded corners) and the specs look very promising.

 

[i.have.droid]

Yes from what I am reading the new phones (this one , the Galaxy S3..etc) are supposed to be worlds better at power consumption. That is my biggest issue with my EVO, so I am hoping it is true

 

[BenChase7]

If it had a removable battery, that would be nice. But honestly, I'm not too worried about it. I say this for 2 reasons: 1) reports on the GNex are that the battery life is stellar and it has a smaller battery then the new EVO, 2) I used to have the Epic 4G Touch (stock) and it had stellar battery life as well... and I am not the type "cripple" the phone to get better battery life.. I left about everything on (minus 4G) and had my screen at Max brightness 24/7.. and it still had good battery performance that was never an issue for me.
Considering all this, in addition to the architecture of the Snapdragon s4 chip found in the EVO 4G LTE, I am not concerned about battery life.. not to mention the the fact the new EVO has a larger battery capacity then the aforementioned phones.

 

[Citizen Coyote]

A non-removable battery would have concerned me had they not bumped the size, but I think HTC learned from the Thunderbolt battery debacle. Will it be stellar? Probably not, but I think most will find it perfectly usable. I'm not a heavy phone user, and I was easily able to get a full day of use from my old Evo. My Photon is even better; I forgot to charge it Tuesday night, and it survived all day yesterday until I was back in my car after work to plug it in. So yeah, for me, it's not a concern.

As for size, I think it's about perfect. Not everyone wants a monster phone the size of the Note.

 

[novox77]

Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.

 

[i.have.droid]

I dont mind a fixed battery one bit. I just need my phone to last longer than 6 hours under literally barely any use.

that is where I am at with my EVO. I need a full day out of it bare minimum..and that would be with medium usage.

 

[EarlyMon]

Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.

Thin is the excuse.

It lowers manufacturing costs primarily, makes it more disposable secondarily.

 

[i.have.droid]

I like thin a lot since I keep my phone in my front pocket.

 

[CYNICALifornia]

The non-removable battery does disappoint me.

Since I'm still using my Evo 4G I have become quite accostomed of haveing a wired (to a power source) wireless phone.

I'm really looking forward to the ifixit teardown to see just how user replacable the battery will be.

 

[dan330]

i was bummed that it was not the 2650mah... that was rumored.
personally.. i would not mind a slight increase in thickness to get a 3000mah -nonrecoverable battery.


i am sure there will be kits to replace the battery in the near future.

i wonder how the battery will be performing after 2 yrs of constant use... when i am trying to sell this baby to someone else?

 

[NicksGarage]

How many people complaining about this now will actually buy the phone on launch day or soon after and then be all over forums complaining about battery life? I bet a lot. They should just wait until others get it in their hands and use it a while before deciding one way or the other.

Or maybe Sprint will come out with one with a larger battery later. I'm sure Sprint doesn't want a lot of bad press over poor battery life. I'm sure they weren't expecting all the chatter about how ugly some people think the phone is anyway.

 

[Sauske]

Clearly, for people who don't mind swapping out batteries (or require this for whatever use case is applicable), making the battery fixed is a huge setback. For a lot of other people, it's not such a big deal. I'm a fan of options, so not having a removable battery is a step in the wrong direction.

The only reason I've heard to justify this decision was so the manufacturers could make the phones a bit thinner. I think this is a horrible decision. It means we're now sacrificing function for form.

When you say they sacrifice function for form, help me understand what you mean by that!?

 

[Rush]

I'm sure they'll be some sort of update(s) to improve battery life sometime down the road. My EVO 3D is always on charge while I'm using it; so, I'm not worried about battery life at all on my (soon to have) EVO 4G LTE.

 

[EarlyMon]

When you say they sacrifice function for form, help me understand what you mean by that!?

Form follows function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The thinness (form) is played up over having a larger or replaceable battery (function). As opposed to not compromising on the battery feature and letting it take the form (appearance) required to accommodate that.

Rush - until there's a report of a defect, I wouldn't be counting on updates for the battery.

 

[Citizen Coyote]

When you say they sacrifice function for form, help me understand what you mean by that!?

If I'm reading novox77 correctly, it means HTC/Sprint has sacrificed the benefits of a user-accessible battery in favor of a thinner phone, or making it look "cool" at the expense of a desired feature.

 

[SuperDave70]

I really want this phone. I love everything about it...except that I was hoping for a bigger battery. I'm unable to plug in for about 10 hours a day, so I have to have something that will last. (My current Photon is fantastic!) But it's not a big deal. I just won't pre-order. I'll wait for some user feedback before I get it.

 

[KOLIO]

How many people complaining about this now will actually buy the phone on launch day or soon after and then be all over forums complaining about battery life? I bet a lot. They should just wait until others get it in their hands and use it a while before deciding one way or the other.

Or maybe Sprint will come out with one with a larger battery later. I'm sure Sprint doesn't want a lot of bad press over poor battery life. I'm sure they weren't expecting all the chatter about how ugly some people think the phone is anyway.

+1
If people are concerned about battery life, buy the phone on launch day & disappointed with the battery life, only to suffer buyer's remorse when a 'MAXX' version of this phone hits the shelves 6-8 weeks after initial launch, they have no one to blame but themselves.

For everyone's sake that are going to purchase this phone come Hell or high water, I hope HTC & SPRINT has done some serious realistic everyday testing w/battery life on this phone.

The last thing HTC, & especially SPRINT needs right now is a swing-and-a-miss all for the sake of a slightly slimmer phone that won't make it past noon w/o looking for an outlet to re-charge.

If this phone had an accompanying tablet a la ASUS PADFONE, I'd be all over this phone.

The rest of the specs & features are definitely top-notch & I'm glad to see HTC putting out such a phone, if for no other reason than to push the competition to keep up or exceed the LTEVO.

 

[EarlyMon]

I think that people wondering about the battery know the risks to buying at launch.

And it does sport a larger battery than the Evo, Evo 3D and the international One X.

So, I don't think that anyone is calling it anemic.

Every launch has risks, better to consider choices and risk mitigation plans. Mine always include the opportunities for return for refund and rooting, among my other tricks.

And let's face it, this is an HTC, so the battery will still be discussed at least a year after it hits end of life.

That seems to be a requirement.

Someone will get bad battery life and insist long after they move on that those of us getting great life and decent use are wrong.

I think that the Maxx version of the RAZR is great and all, but removable batteries always win. If the RAZR had had that, there wouldn't have been a Maxx, and there wouldn't have been a lot of people butt hurt over being locked out of one after choosing the RAZR.

There would have simply been an extended battery market, per usual.