What's taking so long for ICS?

[razrx]

I have been running the leaked 4.0.3 build and it's perfect. Don't really see any problems being reported anywhere either. Even the bloatware Verizon apps work. Its such a nice upgrade, love it. What is Verizon waiting for?

 

[Fred Bassett]

I don't want it

 

[lens pirate]

I have been running the leaked 4.0.3 build and it's perfect. Don't really see any problems being reported anywhere either. Even the bloatware Verizon apps work. Its such a nice upgrade, love it. What is Verizon waiting for?

Verizon is waiting to see if the "Malware Bomb" embeded in this "leak" works as designed. If it is not spotted by the ( brags about installing leaks) phone community it will be unleashed on all of us. :thumbup:

 

[Ridgerunner665]

This response is NOT anything official...its just one of the many possible reasons we don't have ICS yet.

Maybe they want it to be as stable and trouble free as Gingerbread before they release it...and just because a couple of people with a leaked version say its running good DOES NOT mean its ready to be released.

Its that simple I think...if it was ready, they would release it.

 

[Ultimateone]

it's not ready yet, they aren't many phones running ICS really.. i do think though that ICS will be here by the end of May/Early June

 

[razrx]

This response is NOT anything official...its just one of the many possible reasons we don't have ICS yet.

Maybe they want it to be as stable and trouble free as Gingerbread before they release it...and just because a couple of people with a leaked version say its running good DOES NOT mean its ready to be released.

Its that simple I think...if it was ready, they would release it.

Really? Because I get the feeling Verizon and Motorola are intentionally delaying it. Why? Because they are getting ready to release the Droid Razr HD sometime soon and they need to have something aside from a slightly better screen to sell it. If they release ICS to the Razr and Razr Maxx right now, no one will really feel the need to get the HD when it arrives and it having ICS won't be a big deal. My 2 cents.

 

[Fred Bassett]

My thoughts exactly. I don't want ICS, i like my phone as it is.

 

[Fred Bassett]

Really? Because I get the feeling Verizon and Motorola are intentionally delaying it. Why? Because they are getting ready to release the Droid Razr HD sometime soon and they need to have something aside from a slightly better screen to sell it. If they release ICS to the Razr and Razr Maxx right now, no one will really feel the need to get the HD when it arrives and it having ICS won't be a big deal. My 2 cents.

Why are you getting so worked up about it? You say you have a leaked version. I'm happy with my Maxx as it is

 

[pwjone1]

Why are you getting so worked up about it? You say you have a leaked version. I'm happy with my Maxx as it is

As someone that's been involved in various Linux porting and re-leveling efforts, let me just say that it sometimes goes very easily, and sometimes, not-so-much. When you rebase, particularly something that has to tightly integrate with the hardware, it can have unforeseen side effects. Just part of the business.

I will say this for Motorola, I've found their Google/Android support to be generally pretty good. It may take them awhile, but they get there. I was pretty amazed to get an ICS update on my Xoom tablet, as an example, that's relatively "old" in Tablet years, but they updated it nonetheless. Given Google buying Motorola Mobility, I would expect that to continue. I think Motorola has always "gotten" that it's the software that ultimately counts. More than Samsung, HTC, etc.

But that all said, as a level-set, I share the frustration, I too wish/hope for ICS on the Maxx, sooner rather than later. I hope it is not being held up sorting out all the Verizon bloat-ware that's added on top. I like my ICS pretty much in vanilla.

 

[timelord65]

Really? Because I get the feeling Verizon and Motorola are intentionally delaying it. Why? Because they are getting ready to release the Droid Razr HD sometime soon and they need to have something aside from a slightly better screen to sell it. If they release ICS to the Razr and Razr Maxx right now, no one will really feel the need to get the HD when it arrives and it having ICS won't be a big deal. My 2 cents.

This :shakehands:

 

[razrx]

Why are you getting so worked up about it? You say you have a leaked version. I'm happy with my Maxx as it is

Have you even used ICS? Probably not. It's a lot more than an updated look, so many changes and improvements. Just the updated Gmail app, improved navigation app as well as calendar, settings, browser, recent apps, creating folders etc...it's completely updated and so much better. you can feel free to ignore the update and stay on GB though

 

[urdaddi]

I have been running the leaked 4.0.3 build and it's perfect. Don't really see any problems being reported anywhere either. Even the bloatware Verizon apps work. Its such a nice upgrade, love it. What is Verizon waiting for?

I think your definition of PERFECT differs from mine.

 

[Fred Bassett]

Have you even used ICS? Probably not.

Actually again your wrong. I had a GNex for 3 months...

 

[Skeeter125]

The droid fighter hd is whats holding it up. Just like gb for the droid x didnt come until after the x2 was launched.

 

[razrx]

The droid fighter hd is whats holding it up. Just like gb for the droid x didnt come until after the x2 was launched.

Yea, thats what I am starting to believe.

 

[jroc]

Really? Because I get the feeling Verizon and Motorola are intentionally delaying it. Why? Because they are getting ready to release the Droid Razr HD sometime soon and they need to have something aside from a slightly better screen to sell it. If they release ICS to the Razr and Razr Maxx right now, no one will really feel the need to get the HD when it arrives and it having ICS won't be a big deal. My 2 cents.

The droid fighter hd is whats holding it up. Just like gb for the droid x didnt come until after the x2 was launched.

Also the Droid X didnt get Froyo until after the Droid 2 launched with Froyo.

I think this is as good a guess as any.

So the question is....when does the Fighter comes out...lol.

 

[Skeeter125]

Also the Droid X didnt get Froyo until after the Droid 2 launched with Froyo.

I think this is as good a guess as any.

So the question is....when does the Fighter comes out...lol.

I think you mean the droid x2 not the droid 2 lol

 

[jroc]

I think you mean the droid x2 not the droid 2 lol

No the Droid 2...lol.

The Droid X and Droid 2 launched around the same time. Droid 2 had 2.2 out the box. Droid X had 2.1 when it launched.

Doing some reading....seems like the Droid X1 got GB before the Droid X2...the DX2 launched with 2.2?

Interesting...lol. I cant even go by that theory now.

 

[bsweetness]

Doing some reading....seems like the Droid X1 got GB before the Droid X2...the DX2 launched with 2.2?

Interesting...lol. I cant even go by that theory now.

Yep, that's correct.

Honestly, it makes no sense for Motorola/Verizon to hold back ICS for the RAZR/MAXX because of the RAZR HD. If the RAZR/MAXX had ICS now, practically no one in the general public will buy either now over the HD later just because it already has ICS. Likewise, next to no one no one will buy the HD later over the RAZR/MAXX later just because of ICS.

Most people will buy one or the other based on three things - 1) Marketing, 2) Price, and to a lesser extent 3) Specs (which typically plays into the marketing). People that frequent forums like this are in the minority when it comes to knowledge of OS versions and updates. All most people want is a phone that works.

In actuality, if ICS was a big selling point, Verizon would want it on the RAZR/MAXX as soon as possible in order to sell more before the HD drops. Once the HD drops, it will be tougher to get people to buy the RAZR/MAXX. But it's not really much of a selling point beyond a small group of users. It's not even enough to give the Galaxy Nexus a prime marketing spot as far as Verizon is concerned (or to really sell many of them).

 

[ALurker]

Agree with all of this ^^^ except that the Nexus doesn't get prime marketing because it doesn't have the Verizon bloatware like the other phones do and Vz makes less $ on a nexus sale than they do on other sales. The Nexus is much more Samsung/Google's phone than it is Verizon's. ICS is a HUGE step up from GB and when Vz actually gets its working and releases it for the razrs you can bet they will have a ton of commercials showing its features on "their" phones.

 

[razrx]

ICS is a HUGE step up from GB and when Vz actually gets its working and releases it for the razrs you can bet they will have a ton of commercials showing its features on "their" phones.

They already do have it working. There are quite a few of us who have been running the 4.0.3 leak on our Razr's/Maxx's and everything works flawlessly. In fact, this runs faster and better than GB did on my phone when I first got it. They are holding it up for a reason.

 

[euph_22]

They already do have it working. There are quite a few of us who have been running the 4.0.3 leak on our Razr's/Maxx's and everything works flawlessly. In fact, this runs faster and better than GB did on my phone when I first got it. They are holding it up for a reason.

Just because it's working on a small number of people phones (mine included as of yesterday) doesn't mean it's bugfree. The margin for error for something rooted users flash on their phone is miles different from the Margin of Error on something Verizon would be willing to distribute. Think of it this way, lets say there was a bug that only effect 1% of phones, but was serious enough to keep the phone from working, and everyone else's phones worked great. For a ROM that is a spectacular success rate. 99/100 users have a fabulous time, and those that don't simply flash it again or move on to something else, no problem. Now lets say Verizon released the same software as an OTA. It would be a disaster. Verizon and Motorola would have to expend countless CSR man-hours trying to help the 1% of users whose phones got borked. And then they spend $x00 replacing those borked phones. Considering their could easily be 200,000 droid razrs out there, that's going to get very pricey for them. And that's before you consider bad publicity and lost sales. Considering the typical buyer doesn't know about ICS and doesn't care, they don't want to push it out until they are sure it's perfect and a our experiences installing it as a rom aren't enough to tell whether the OTA is truly ready or not.

That said, it does seem pretty close.

 

[razrx]

Just because it's working on a small number of people phones (mine included as of yesterday) doesn't mean it's bugfree. The margin for error for something rooted users flash on their phone is miles different from the Margin of Error on something Verizon would be willing to distribute. Think of it this way, lets say there was a bug that only effect 1% of phones, but was serious enough to keep the phone from working, and everyone else's phones worked great. For a ROM that is a spectacular success rate. 99/100 users have a fabulous time, and those that don't simply flash it again or move on to something else, no problem. Now lets say Verizon released the same software as an OTA. It would be a disaster. Verizon and Motorola would have to expend countless CSR man-hours trying to help the 1% of users whose phones got borked. And then they spend $x00 replacing those borked phones. Considering their could easily be 200,000 droid razrs out there, that's going to get very pricey for them. And that's before you consider bad publicity and lost sales. Considering the typical buyer doesn't know about ICS and doesn't care, they don't want to push it out until they are sure it's perfect and a our experiences installing it as a rom aren't enough to tell whether the OTA is truly ready or not.

That said, it does seem pretty close.

Nah, not even close man. Look at pretty much every update for any device and you will always see people saying the new update did ths or that to their device. Happens every single time. There has never been a 100% bug free update. That's why they will either release a fix for it a few weeks later or address it in the next update.

 

[ALurker]

They already do have it working. There are quite a few of us who have been running the 4.0.3 leak on our Razr's/Maxx's and everything works flawlessly. In fact, this runs faster and better than GB did on my phone when I first got it. They are holding it up for a reason.

Believe me, I'm right there with you waiting impatiently on Verizon. But just going by the simple fact that the Nexus hasn't even had its update yet should tell you something. They are still working on the update for that phone, and the Nexus isn't skinned and doesn't have nearly as much Verizon bloatware as the razr. Getting the razrs to work perfectly with ICS is going to take more effort and more time than it is with the Nexus and the Verizon Nexus is still stuck on buggy 4.0.2.

 

[Skeeter125]

Yep, that's correct.

Honestly, it makes no sense for Motorola/Verizon to hold back ICS for the RAZR/MAXX because of the RAZR HD. If the RAZR/MAXX had ICS now, practically no one in the general public will buy either now over the HD later just because it already has ICS. Likewise, next to no one no one will buy the HD later over the RAZR/MAXX later just because of ICS.

Most people will buy one or the other based on three things - 1) Marketing, 2) Price, and to a lesser extent 3) Specs (which typically plays into the marketing). People that frequent forums like this are in the minority when it comes to knowledge of OS versions and updates. All most people want is a phone that works.

In actuality, if ICS was a big selling point, Verizon would want it on the RAZR/MAXX as soon as possible in order to sell more before the HD drops. Once the HD drops, it will be tougher to get people to buy the RAZR/MAXX. But it's not really much of a selling point beyond a small group of users. It's not even enough to give the Galaxy Nexus a prime marketing spot as far as Verizon is concerned (or to really sell many of them).

Plus most people with a razr/maxx aren't going to buy the maxx hd anyway since they are in contract and don't want to fork over $600+ dollars for a new phone.