Dan says .. WIMAX is for sprint (NOT?)

I am a newish user, but what format does my EVO 4G have and what doe this mean to me

I would not bet on wimax being slower then lte. There is fast and fast enough, Clear had about 2 years to preload the network with home and mobile installs before they even offered the ability to have a phone. Verizon offered expensive mobile use ( which no one used), and launch their phones on an empty network.

When we build out a network for testing and it is empty, 30mbps to 50mbps was completely possible with wimax (namely because 30mbps to 50mbps is server load, no more information can be pulled from the server you are connecting to), and hacked htc evo 4g can hit speeds up to 20-40mbps on an empty network, but does not because of battery issues.

Once you add a ton of network traffic, everything starts to slow down. HTC evo 3d will hit about 5-12mbps. HTC thunderbolt will do the same (5-12mbps) with the same network load.

A lot of those faster speeds are testing software seeing a 3g phone and testing for a 3g test. Sprint choose to route its traffic to centers (hundreds of miles from the you and the tower) then out to the internet, verizon dumps the phone to the internet near the tower. Verizon uses some very cool software tricks that manages the traffic flow, artificially bumping up the speed in the process. If you actually go to a website and physically down load a file with lte, you will hit about 5-12mbps, same with wimax.

But when it gets down to it. 5-12mbps is the normal for both wimax and lte. Anything faster and it you are being missed led. Anything faster and you really dont need it. 5-12mbps is faster then 75% then most home networks.

All sprint has to do is drop this stupid center processing idea, and the speeds would pick up. Once again sprint will shot themselves in the face, every single time they get a chance. But no lte is not really faster then wimax.

dan330 said:

RiverOI... that is great info..

question...why are the centers used by sprint? what is the benefit for us or sprint for this middle man process?

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I honestly dont know. I have no clue, there is zero reason to do this, it might save money. (it really would not)

As with anything sprint, it is just dumb, but it is what it is.

dan330 said:

control over data???

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Honestly, I think it is because clear wants to make sure it get paid for sprint users and it has check each device to make sure it is legal.

ROI thank you for the Clarification on the LTE/Wimax scenario..

I left a message for someone inquiring about the reason for the data center handoffs between Clear and Sprint hopefully he calls back and gives me an explanation I can post..

LightSquared is in negotiations with 15 companies that want to use its wholesale LTE network, the company's CEO said, comments that shed more clarity on the firm's strategy as it moves toward a commercial launch of its service later this year.


LightSquared is conducting LTE trials in Baltimore, Denver, Las Vegas and Phoenix, with commercial launches planned by the third quarter of this year. The company has committed to cover 100 million POPs by the end of 2012, 145 million by the end of 2013 and 260 million by the end of 2015.


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RiverOfIce; "...and hacked htc evo 4g can hit speeds up to 20-40mbps on an empty network, but does not because of battery issues."

Maybe, in about 2-years, the battery issues will be somewhat mitigated.

"Study leader Amy Prieto, Ph.D., said the research team has a 3-D prototype, about the size of a cell phone battery, that takes about 12 minutes to recharge compared to two hours for a conventional lithium-ion battery. The battery also can be discharged over twice as many times as a conventional lithium ion battery at high discharge rates, she added."
Fast-recharge, lithium-ion battery could be perfect for electric cars

dan330 said:

Sprint To Confirm 4G LTE Deal During Upcoming Earnings Call On July 28th

looks like ... LTE is coming... and wimax will eventually fall back to other duties?

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From my understanding, sprint can not use the lte part of the network, the contract only allows light squared to use sprint towers. It will only work with light squared spectrum, which sprint can not run on. If sprint decides to "rent" from light squared it would do nothing to improve or increase the efficiency, coverage, and speed of the wimax network, in fact it would be an a replacement for the wimax network, only with less tower density and less carrier loading, it would be a major network down grade, considering lightsquared as zero evidence that they can proved a consistent network.

LTE, especially this method, is just not feasible for sprints network.

dan330 said:

???? so in your view... it would only be a revenue stream for sprint.. to rent out spectrum to lightsquad?

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to rent out tower space, it is the only way for sprint to pay off the debt it has due in the next few years.

Sprints wimax spectrum is pretty much locked into wimax, it would require fcc approval to change to lte, which would be a very hard sale, considering the fcc only sold sprint the spectrum because it was NOT using lte.

If sprint was to trade over to lte, it would take billions of dollars just to be back in the same boat they are in now. Light squared has not proven that it can really be functional in any way.

Light squared needs towers for lte wholesale usage, sprint needs money.

dan330 said:

Sprint To Confirm 4G LTE Deal During Upcoming Earnings Call On July 28th

looks like ... LTE is coming... and wimax will eventually fall back to other duties?

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I might be wrong but I don't see them doing this yet..

dan330 said:

eieio and riverofice....

will they and when they and can they...
sprint make wimax better penetration, signal strength, and connection while moving??

currently it is useless to me.. in one of their major locations: Dallas/Ft Worth Texas

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Sure..

If Clear and Sprint work together it can be done.

It can also be done on the 2.5Mhz frequency.. Clears build out was just done piss poorly and they were after POPS and fail to deliver a quality product

Will they? I am starting to feel like ROI that Sprints aim always seems to be targeted at their feet..

dan330 said:

eieio and riverofice....

will they and when they and can they...
sprint make wimax better penetration, signal strength, and connection while moving??

currently it is useless to me.. in one of their major locations: Dallas/Ft Worth Texas

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There will be zero problem with penetration, signal, and connection...IF sprint bothered to build out the network like it was designed to be built. Sprint has 700mhz spectrum, 800mhz spectrum, 1.9mhz spectrum, and 2.5ghz spectrum that it can use to fully build out the network. The only problem is money. They simply do not have the resources to complete a network that cost 10 times less then lte, how in the world can they afford to build out a network that cost 10 times more then wimax?

So far sprint has royally screwed up the build out. They spent an insane amount of money from the start on gimmicks and advertizing for a network that was not ready fully ready.

It will get better, but if they use lte, it will cost 10 times more and over nothing to improve anything.

dan330 said:

i have been .. we all have been waiting patiently for them to make it better....

but in the mean time.. it has gotten worse!

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It should get better by next year, with the new money from lightsquared will help.

For those that think lte will allow roaming/unlocked phones, think again.

Verizon LTE Phones Probably Incompatible With AT&T | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

Verizon Wireless confirmed today that its LTE phones will not "be compatible on other LTE networks in the U.S." because "the phones will be on different frequencies," according to Verizon spokeswoman Brenda Raney.

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And they have zero reason to change it in the future. As for a lte world phone would not hold my breath for that either.

The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) has approved many different bands for LTE, including 700, 800, 850, 900, 1500, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2000, 2100, 2300, and 2600MHz. That may make it impossible for LTE phones built with current antenna technologies to roam truly globally. There are just too many bands.

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Any way you cut it, there is very little reason for sprint to go to lte, it offers nothing but more cost compared to wimax.

I really ddon't understand why sprint would go lte at all and I've been trying. Generally when making a decision you can say "the benefits of this choice are better". But I just don't see what they would gain from a 3rd inning pitching change in a 0-0 game.
Wimax equipment works with wimax 2.0 fwiu, They already have global roaming partners, they already have a big lineup of phones, they have all the spectrum you could want, they have a plan for buildout. And its not like they will be able to roam anyway. Why not put wimax on 800 with cdma instead of lte? I just don't get it.

NOMster said:

Why not put wimax on 800 with cdma instead of lte? I just don't get it.

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Because that is not really needed. At the current spectrum build out can be better then anything that 800mhz can offer, all they have to do is do it.

Reminds me of a the doctor off ST Voyager, "you can live a normal life, if you only choose to live a normal life."

In the next few months, wimax will start launching mini sites. This macro-cells will cost about 200 dollars, they will attach to electrical poles and street lights, and even your home, they will have the range of about 2 kilometers and they will work as a spider web, connecting all the cells together.

This is will happen over the next few years. Instead of 1 tower that can service 1,000's of people with 800mhz. There will be 1000 of macro cells servicing 100,000's of thousands.

LTE is not made for this, wimax is, and at 300 dollars per kilometer, it is a heck of alot cheaper then lte.

As, you say, lte offers nothing to sprint, except more cost.

RiverOfIce said:

Because that is not really needed. At the current spectrum build out can be better then anything that 800mhz can offer, all they have to do is do it.

Reminds me of a the doctor off ST Voyager, "you can live a normal life, if you only choose to live a normal life."

In the next few months, wimax will start launching mini sites. This macro-cells will cost about 200 dollars, they will attach to electrical poles and street lights, and even your home, they will have the range of about 2 kilometers and they will work as a spider web, connecting all the cells together.

This is will happen over the next few years. Instead of 1 tower that can service 1,000's of people with 800mhz. There will be 1000 of macro cells servicing 100,000's of thousands.

LTE is not made for this, wimax is, and at 300 dollars per kilometer, it is a heck of alot cheaper then lte.

As, you say, lte offers nothing to sprint, except more cost.

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Are there any permits needed, or permission from the respective utilities ? Seems like a great idea, just wondering if these 3rd parties can hinder it.