Root **droid Bionic Source released**

Good news indeed!

tehsusenoh said:

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Emoticon fail.

messenger13 said:

Emoticon fail.

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Fixed. Dang it, word filter, it shouldn't block out things in BBCODE like that.

Honestly, what's the benefit here? Android is already open source, the other elements are Blur related and always stripped out of ROMS.

For those who want to keep BLUR, or whatevah Moto is calling it this week.

While I miss my LP PRo sliding dock more than anything, I have to say that for the most part I actually like this iteration of Blah. I have yet to run a ROM without it, though, so it would be interesting to see the performance benefit I would get without it....

johnlgalt said:

For those who want to keep BLUR, or whatevah Moto is calling it this week.

While I miss my LP PRo sliding dock more than anything, I have to say that for the most part I actually like this iteration of Blah. I have yet to run a ROM without it, though, so it would be interesting to see the performance benefit I would get without it....

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I've been running Liberty Test builds and the speed/stability difference vs. a blurred ROM is absolutely amazing. Everything works and is instant.

I can understand - but I probably need more detailed information (and, also, specs / results to back them up):

Does it make a difference if you freeze bloatware first and leave Blah? Are you comparing Blah on stock versus no blah on stock, or blah on stock versus no blah on bloatfree, etc.

I have a ton of apps that are chewing up RAM via services, and every now and again my phone just acts stupid. I realize that it is mostly Blah's fault, but still, there are some really snazzy things about it....

I think I need o put a bloat free blah free ROM on my phone and then I can pretend I've OCd my phone

So for the amateur rooted user, what will be the benefit of this?

Wher can we go from here

Not a lot - with the source you can play around with code, possibly improve it, and then (perhaps) make installable snippets of code / apps that will replace the stock apps and (hopefully) make things work faster. Like, say, a tweaked version of Blur that has all of hte sexy goodness and none of the bloat...

IOW, this is mostly aimed at hardcore devs, although I suppose it could be used as a teaching tool for the novice programmer as well....

johnlgalt said:

I can understand - but I probably need more detailed information (and, also, specs / results to back them up):

Does it make a difference if you freeze bloatware first and leave Blah? Are you comparing Blah on stock versus no blah on stock, or blah on stock versus no blah on bloatfree, etc.

I have a ton of apps that are chewing up RAM via services, and every now and again my phone just acts stupid. I realize that it is mostly Blah's fault, but still, there are some really snazzy things about it....

I think I need o put a bloat free blah free ROM on my phone and then I can pretend I've OCd my phone

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I don't have any concrete numbers to give you as I never took benchmarks before I loaded Liberty. What I can tell you is that Blur was invasive - the FB integration interfered with the FB messenger app by not allowing push notifications for new messenger. It also interfered with the contact sync.

I started off with freezing stuff like CityID, Blockbuster, VCast, basically any app that I would never use and also sat in memory. I ran LauncherPro but the blur launcher remained in memory. The Moto keyboard was slow and sometimes had touch issues. The dock service was very buggy and I often could not navigate around the phone once it launched. (home button didn't work...and if I manually exited it, I could not relaunch it unless I took the phone out of the dock and put it back in) There were also numerous random force closes in the browser and sometimes LP.

Honestly, I was disgusted with how many bugs Moto released this phone with. These weren't even little bugs - they were bugs that hampered with me using the phone. If I was an average user who simply wanted a phone that worked, I would have returned the Bionic by the second week. (I still kind of regret not returning it, after seeing Prime and the RAZR on the horizon)

When the FXZ file for the Bionic was released, I flashed Liberty, with all of the moto stuff removed along with Kejar's enhancements, I felt....well, liberated. The phone was fast, responsive, and it simply just worked.

I realize that the OEM's like to differentiate themselves by overlaying their own software on top of Android. Between Sense, TouchWiz, Blur, and numerous other overlays, they create variety that will differentiate the user experience for the average customer. As a more advanced Android user, I simply buy the device for the hardware. I have always loved Moto hardware which is why I stick with them. I lucked out with my DroidX as there was a lot of development done for the phone. The Bionic seemed like the next logical choice as it had dual core, 4G etc. However, if Moto keeps locking these bootloaders, I will have to move on to Nexus. Maybe the Google purchase will change all of this, maybe not. (I have the suspicion that VZW is behind the locked bootloaders and there seems to be a good amount of evidence to support it)

Sorry for the wall of text, just had to vent some frustration.

No worries, m8, I know the feeling. I opted for the BIONIC even with a locked bootloader because I had to have a replacement for my swiftly aging DROID - and I wasn't settling for an older phone.

And, you hit the nail on the head - when all is said and done, I'd rather have it working like I want it to, than looking pretty.

BTW, can you do this with just ROM Manager and CWR 5.0.2.5 installed, or do we still need the older CWR through the toolkit?

Source code will not give us an unlocked bootloader but it will give the devs access to the kernel which will allow over/underclocking apps similar to quickclock and setcpu.

Too bad the bootloader will remain locked blocking our ability to change the kernel. Changing the kernel in my old Charge made a HUGE differece. And everyone who had an OG droid knows what it did for that phone.

johnlgalt said:

Not a lot - with the source you can play around with code, possibly improve it, and then (perhaps) make installable snippets of code / apps that will replace the stock apps and (hopefully) make things work faster. Like, say, a tweaked version of Blur that has all of hte sexy goodness and none of the bloat...

IOW, this is mostly aimed at hardcore devs, although I suppose it could be used as a teaching tool for the novice programmer as well....

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what part of blur is sexy goodness? (serious question)

welbinator said:

what part of blur is sexy goodness? (serious question)

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In my opinion, the Blur dialer and the stock email app (I use it for my corporate account only) is pretty sexy. I'm sure there's a couple of other things as well that I'm forgetting at the moment.

messenger13 said:

In my opinion, the Blur dialer and the stock email app (I use it for my corporate account only) is pretty sexy. I'm sure there's a couple of other things as well that I'm forgetting at the moment.

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the dialer is pretty good. a lot better than HTC Senses dialer. I will still probably install Dialer One though.

I only use gmail.

does blur slow down the phone like Sense does?

trophynuts said:

the newer versions of Blur is ten times better than say a year ago. Some people will still say they don't like it, others like me can actually live with it now if they had to.

I've had limited experience with Sense so i dont' know of the comparison.

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^^^^^

I didn't really use BLAH other than playing with phones in the store, but it was slow even on stock phones that were brand new back in the day. I remember ranting about it and ranting about it b/c my DROID was vanilla....and swearing up and down and left and Right I would not get another Moto product with a locked bootloader and BLAH on it...

And yet here I am with exactly that. I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand (and more) times - I actually like this BLAH. TBH, though, even though I 'like' it, I'll probably ROM my phone with a ROM that has BLAH and one without and compare for the heck of it - I still really Really REALLY miss my sliding dock on LPP....

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I didn't really use BLAH other than playing with phones in the store, but it was slow even on stock phones that were brand new back in the day. I remember ranting about it and ranting about it b/c my DROID was vanilla....and swearing up and down and left and Right I would not get another Moto product with a locked bootloader and BLAH on it...

And yet here I am with exactly that. I've said it once, and I'll say it a thousand (and more) times - I actually like this BLAH. TBH, though, even though I 'like' it, I'll probably ROM my phone with a ROM that has BLAH and one without and compare for the heck of it - I still really Really REALLY miss my sliding dock on LPP....

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I am running the Th3ory Pak D3blurr and loving it... you should give it a shot! I exclusively use LPP, I prefer it and why change from what you like. The LPP calendar widget is also awesome!

Funny enough, I never used *any* of Federico's widgets when using LPP on my DROID....

I might give them a shot, but I've gotten pretty used to CalWidget Premium....

I'm still on the fence about BLAH versus deBLAHed (d3BLAH3d?) - Imma call it BLAH til it becomes so necessary to me that I have to finally call it by its rightful name....