Goodby Galaxy Nexus

greggebhardt · Nov 27, 2011

I liked the phone a lot but will stick to my SG2.

If you are looking, it can be yours!

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dmlv · Nov 27, 2011

greggebhardt said:
I liked the phone a lot but will stick to my SG2.

If you are looking, it can be yours!

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Do you mind me asking, what turned you off?? I was thinking of purchasing one next week.

I ask because, I am in the same boat as you. I have a GS2 (at&t model) but had the Int'l version before at&t released it and I own a iPhone 4S which I use for my company exchange email....and camera/multi media.

I know it is opinion, but just curious.
Thanks

kam187 · Nov 27, 2011

I think if you have a SGS2 there's really no incentive to upgrade to the GN unless you _need_ the screen. In 2012 we're going to see quad core android phones - especially with 1280x720 the ICS default resolution you can expect more advanced phones to come.

There's also reliable sources touting an apple A6 quad core which I assume will support a higher res retina screen. Even if you're not an apple fanboy, android has to follow.

The only reason I upgraded was because i have a nexus one and a free upgrade. I personally regret waiting 4 months out of contract for a phone that has sub par technology if you exclude the screen

The_Chief · Nov 27, 2011

Nothing wrong with the SGS2. In fact, most of us on Verizon were slobbering over it back in July/August, and were devastated when Verizon passed on it. I know I was.

It's a great phone and I think you'll get many moons of enjoyable use out of it

mzjin · Nov 27, 2011

The_Chief said:
Nothing wrong with the SGS2. In fact, most of us on Verizon were slobbering over it back in July/August, and were devastated when Verizon passed on it. I know I was.

It's a great phone and I think you'll get many moons of enjoyable use out of it

It's a superior phone except for screen actually... Exynos & ARM Mali, Camera & MicroSD

It's too bad there's no confirmation of the Galaxy S2 HD LTE for US, it's a superior phone all around to the Galaxy Nexus (just no ICS yet).

I would buy the Galaxy S2 in a heartbeat if it were available here on LTE even if I have to wait for ICS... 1.5ghz, Adreno 220 (roughly iPhone 4S performance), world phone, better camera, microSD card ... it's everything the Galaxy Nexus should also have included to take the crown...

Oh well, the Galaxy Nexus will be... "good enough".

northernale1 · Nov 28, 2011

I have the SG2 and Im returning mine,, after have the nexus one,, the SG2 with no led notification is a deal breaker for me,, having the led flash different colors for different services is great,, I find with the SG2 im swiping it open to see if i recieved a message way to often,,,

as for hardware,, i bet side by side one would never tell the difference,,,

as for camera I bet a dime to a donut that the 5mp does a better job then the 8 mp,,,, i have seen it hundreds of times with hand held cameras the lower mp doing a better job as the sensor handles the lower mp much better producing way less noise

quad core,, first tell me what programs are demanding quad core?? second who has put a battery in a phone yet then can handle quad core,,,????

RazorSharp · Nov 28, 2011

northernale1 said:
I bet a dime to a donut that the 5mp does a better job then the 8 mp,,,, i have seen it hundreds of times with hand held cameras the lower mp doing a better job as the sensor handles the lower mp much better producing way less noise

Definitely agreed. I don't really know when every single phone consumer became a professional photographer, but the high-tech 5MP cam on the Nexus will be just fine for me. I'm really just excited about the near-zero shutter lag after the lag eternity on my OG Droid.

northernale1 said:
quad core,, first tell me what programs are demanding quad core?? second who has put a battery in a phone yet then can handle quad core,,,????

Couldn't agree more here too. At some point the processing power of phones is going to far outstrip anything that we'll ever need it for. The Nexus is going to be just fine for me for quite a while, thanks.

mzjin · Nov 28, 2011

northernale1 said:
I have the SG2 and Im returning mine,, after have the nexus one,, the SG2 with no led notification is a deal breaker for me,, having the led flash different colors for different services is great,, I find with the SG2 im swiping it open to see if i recieved a message way to often,,,

as for hardware,, i bet side by side one would never tell the difference,,,

as for camera I bet a dime to a donut that the 5mp does a better job then the 8 mp,,,, i have seen it hundreds of times with hand held cameras the lower mp doing a better job as the sensor handles the lower mp much better producing way less noise

quad core,, first tell me what programs are demanding quad core?? second who has put a battery in a phone yet then can handle quad core,,,????

The camera is already proven to be worse than the SGS2 and iPhone 4S unfortunately.

I'm not bothered though, my iPhone 4 took incredible photos and I don't absolutely need better on a phone.

I also have a Canon SD4000 and a Sony NEX-5N ... if I'm going somewhere, sorry but these are the real deals, don't need to nitpick with phone cameras.

schimm · Nov 28, 2011

mzjin said:
It's a superior phone except for screen actually... Exynos & ARM Mali, Camera & MicroSD

It's too bad there's no confirmation of the Galaxy S2 HD LTE for US, it's a superior phone all around to the Galaxy Nexus (just no ICS yet).

I would buy the Galaxy S2 in a heartbeat if it were available here on LTE even if I have to wait for ICS... 1.5ghz, Adreno 220 (roughly iPhone 4S performance), world phone, better camera, microSD card ... it's everything the Galaxy Nexus should also have included to take the crown...

Oh well, the Galaxy Nexus will be... "good enough".

Don't buy the better phone argument. The Verge recently updated their review with quotes such as:

'As far as phone performance is concerned, however, the Galaxy Nexus feels blazingly, stupidly fast to me. Touch response is excellent on the phone

mzjin · Nov 28, 2011

RazorSharp said:
Definitely agreed. I don't really know when every single phone consumer became a professional photographer, but the high-tech 5MP cam on the Nexus will be just fine for me. I'm really just excited about the near-zero shutter lag after the lag eternity on my OG Droid.

Couldn't agree more here too. At some point the processing power of phones is going to far outstrip anything that we'll ever need it for. The Nexus is going to be just fine for me for quite a while, thanks.

Shutter lag is not really an issue these days, yes on your 2 year old Droid, it's a different story. I had no issues on my iPhone 4 and none on the Razr I'm using now.

The thing with cell phone cameras though is that people don't really put them into perspective...

1) Optical image stabilization - without a shifting lens or sensor element, you don't get sharp pictures ever without a flood of sunlight (with at least a 1/200 shutter speed)

2) Pictures are never quite that great, no matter what. Chromatic aberrations, fringing, corner blur, white balance is always off, color saturation, depth of field... they don't compare at all to a $100 real camera.

3) Zoom!! Um what? Yes, most cell cameras these days run an equivalent of 24mm wide angle lenses to get a good field of view, but aspect ratio and zooms are non-existent. I'd like 24mm, but I'd prefer a 16:9 aspect ratio or how about 2x to 3x optical zoom?

So anyway, you take it for it is, an opportunity to grab memories in your pocket at any time, not necessarily to compose wedding photos on.

That is all, camera quality is not a big deal on these phones, with the exception of horrible cameras. Horrible cameras that are painful to use (like on my Razr) and produce really poor pictures really needs to die.

mzjin · Nov 28, 2011

schimm said:
Don't buy the better phone argument. The Verge recently updated their review with quotes such as:

'As far as phone performance is concerned, however, the Galaxy Nexus feels blazingly, stupidly fast to me. Touch response is excellent on the phone

dguy · Nov 28, 2011

Just so you know, Siri does the entirety of its processing in the cloud. It would run just as well on an iPhone 3GS as it does the 4S if Apple allowed it on there.

krouget · Nov 28, 2011

The_Chief said:
Nothing wrong with the SGS2. In fact, most of us on Verizon were slobbering over it back in July/August, and were devastated when Verizon passed on it. I know I was.

It's a great phone and I think you'll get many moons of enjoyable use out of it

Agreed. It would've been my current phone (instead of the Bionic), had it actually released.

Sandroidfan · Nov 28, 2011

SGSII is still very decent smart-phone and its bench scores are not clearly outdone by any other phones until quad cores arrive. Also it's supposed to get ICS update early next year. So there is nothing wrong sticking with it for about an year if you already own it. Actually it's the only phone that makes me envy AT&T folks.

As for the camera argument, I haven't seen any in-depth review yet that puts Gnex inferior to SGS2, let alone iPhone4S. Below is phonearena review of camera on both phone. Honestly if I didn't see the label on picture it's hard to tell which phone took it though I didn't micro-analyze the image quality at the pixel level.

Samsung Galaxy Nexus vs Apple iPhone 4S: camera comparison

Thai · Nov 28, 2011

Well, when SG2 gets ICS, will GN still be superior?? I doubt it. With a better GPU, SG2 + ICS will be better than GN. Yes, GN will always be slightly better with screen resolution, but the GN screen is not perfect either.

As for the camera, GN's camera is very good in DAYLIGHT. When the sky gets gloomy or when you're inside, it is hopelessly bad!! Video is the same. So, yeah, if you spend all your time outside, then GN will be fine. But anywhere else, it will be inferior to SG2 and Iphone 4S (even Iphone 4 for that matter!). It is bad enough that Engadget recently wrote:

"While the Galaxy Nexus shooter is extremely fast and introduces plenty of new features, it provides little (if any) improvement in picture quality over the Nexus S."

And let me tell you, my wife's Nexus S camera suck to no end! The one thing that GN is better than my Nexus S camera is the shutter speed. But, apparently, that's about it in terms of improvement!

BTW, my brother's Samsung Vibrant takes way better pictures than my wife's Nexus S...despite having no flash!! Hmmm, it does remind me of what is happening now b/w GN and SG2...Google decontented the camera on the GN!!! They tried to make it up via software (ICS with super fast shutter)...but sensor, camera, whatever...Google went cheap! Fukking Google!

And unlike the link above, Cnet did their own comparison...you judge for yourself: Samsung Galaxy Nexus cam vs. iPhone 4S vs. HTC Vivid vs. Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews

Notice, outside, the GN camera does great...but inside, it sucks...worst than much older phones!

dguy · Nov 28, 2011

One thing to keep in mind is the SGS2 gets such high benchmark scores because of its low resolution display. It takes more GPU power to push a 1280x720 display than it does to push an 800x480 display. It's not really a whole lot faster(though the Mali 400 is faster than the SGX 540), it just has a lot less work to do per frame.

Sandroidfan · Nov 28, 2011

Thai said:
And let me tell you, my wife's Nexus S camera suck to no end! The one thing that GN is better than my Nexus S camera is the shutter speed. But, apparently, that's about it in terms of improvement!

BTW, my brother's Samsung Vibrant takes way better pictures than my wife's Nexus S...despite having no flash!! Hmmm, it does remind me of what is happening now b/w GN and SG2...Google decontented the camera on the GN!!! They tried to make it up via software (ICS with super fast shutter)...but sensor, camera, whatever...Google went cheap! Fukking Google!

And unlike the link above, Cnet did their own comparison...you judge for yourself: Samsung Galaxy Nexus cam vs. iPhone 4S vs. HTC Vivid vs. Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews

Notice, outside, the GN camera does great...but inside, it sucks...worst than much older phones!

Well, you don't have Gnex yet, do you? That low light samples on CNET certainly look worse than others. But I wonder if that is pre-release unit or not. So I would take that with some grain of salt. Phonearena samples look better and actually comparable to iPhone4S.

5Mp is not inferior to 8Mp sensor except the ability to print larger resolution pictures. It's actually superior in low light shooting because each pixel is bigger and receiving more light, hence lower noise. For instance, if two camera is identical in lens, sensor size, imaging firmware, but only mega pixels differ like 5Mp vs 8Mp, which one do you think will produce better images in low light? It's 5Mp. But when comparing two different phone cameras, there are other factors to consider like lens, imaging software, sensor quality, so it's hard to say only based on mega pixels. I guess Gnex will do fine in low light if released version gets imaging software properly updated.

Thai · Nov 28, 2011

Sandroidfan said:
Phonearena samples look better and actually comparable to iPhone4S.

5Mp is not inferior to 8Mp sensor except the ability to print larger resolution pictures. It's actually superior in low light shooting because each pixel is bigger and receiving more light, hence lower noise. For instance, if two camera is identical in lens, sensor size, imaging firmware, but only mega pixels differ like 5Mp vs 8Mp, which one do you think will produce better images in low light?

Actually, the phonearena pics do show differences in exposure, coloration, and resolution. And when the lights go down, the difference is even more pronounced. I don't see where it is "comparable". Phonearena is just being nice...but read b/w the lines in the review...there isn't one place where GN succeeded and 4S did not.

As for the 2nd part, i understand...but we're NOT talking about MPs here. The end result is all i care about...and as such, there are numerous reviews that have not been blown away by GN's camera other than shutter speed. (And lets face it, these reviews compete for each other to see who release it first to the net...and as such, they usually talk great things about the reviewed product. So, when a reviewer say that the camera is just OK, you know that it is bad!)

Thai · Nov 28, 2011

From phonearena review: "On the subject of its weak sides, we can mention the 5MP camera, which is quite good for outdoor photography, but mediocre (at best) at anything else."

Comparable? A stretch for sure.

Sandroidfan · Nov 28, 2011

Thai said:
From phonearena review: "On the subject of its weak sides, we can mention the 5MP camera, which is quite good for outdoor photography, but mediocre (at best) at anything else."

Comparable? A stretch for sure.

Mediocre is subjective description and their iPhone4S low light samples don't look that stellar either though a little better. For me, camera is not the most important feature on phone, granted it's bad if it sucks too much. Gnex camera seems fine for me.

mzjin · Nov 28, 2011

Thai said:
Well, when SG2 gets ICS, will GN still be superior?? I doubt it. With a better GPU, SG2 + ICS will be better than GN. Yes, GN will always be slightly better with screen resolution, but the GN screen is not perfect either.

As for the camera, GN's camera is very good in DAYLIGHT. When the sky gets gloomy or when you're inside, it is hopelessly bad!! Video is the same. So, yeah, if you spend all your time outside, then GN will be fine. But anywhere else, it will be inferior to SG2 and Iphone 4S (even Iphone 4 for that matter!). It is bad enough that Engadget recently wrote:

"While the Galaxy Nexus shooter is extremely fast and introduces plenty of new features, it provides little (if any) improvement in picture quality over the Nexus S."

And let me tell you, my wife's Nexus S camera suck to no end! The one thing that GN is better than my Nexus S camera is the shutter speed. But, apparently, that's about it in terms of improvement!

BTW, my brother's Samsung Vibrant takes way better pictures than my wife's Nexus S...despite having no flash!! Hmmm, it does remind me of what is happening now b/w GN and SG2...Google decontented the camera on the GN!!! They tried to make it up via software (ICS with super fast shutter)...but sensor, camera, whatever...Google went cheap! Fukking Google!

And unlike the link above, Cnet did their own comparison...you judge for yourself: Samsung Galaxy Nexus cam vs. iPhone 4S vs. HTC Vivid vs. Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket | Android Atlas - CNET Reviews

Notice, outside, the GN camera does great...but inside, it sucks...worst than much older phones!

Actually, those night time pictures are useable. You can run them through a basic corrector like Picasa or post process them properly in Photoshop.

It really doesn't matter because if you wanted to use those pictures, you could, and that's the whole point of a phone camera - capturing memories with useable photos.

Thai · Nov 29, 2011

mzjin said:
Actually, those night time pictures are useable. You can run them through a basic corrector like Picasa or post process them properly in Photoshop.

It really doesn't matter because if you wanted to use those pictures, you could, and that's the whole point of a phone camera - capturing memories with useable photos.

You miss the point. Sure, u can re-touch anything........but why would u need to in the first place??!!

In the cnet link, the whole exposure and color are totally off! As for the 2nd comment, I think that we should all have 1 MP cameras...should be good enough for memories, right?

Sandroidfan · Nov 29, 2011

Thai said:
You miss the point. Sure, u can re-touch anything........but why would u need to in the first place??!!

In the cnet link, the whole exposure and color are totally off! As for the 2nd comment, I think that we should all have 1 MP cameras...should be good enough for memories, right?

I carefully reviewed those CNET sample shots again. Honestly the only bad shot from Gnex is that portrait of Emily and looks like it's got some blur from camera shake. Hardly enough samples to judge the quality, performance of those cameras.

Low light photography is very challenging even for dedicated digital cams and the result can vary significantly with user handling it. Frankly I think it's asking too much for phone camera with tiny sensor and you can't realistically expect good result with just default auto setting like you wish. Like mzjin mentioned, using simple post-processing can remedy a lot on it. Or bump up EV, ISO a little in program mode of camera.

Anyway if low light capability of Gnex is deal breaker for you, go with other phones like iPhone4S, SGS2 or Rezound. But don't be surprised when you get bad low light shots in those camera in auto mode.

mzjin · Nov 29, 2011

Thai said:
You miss the point. Sure, u can re-touch anything........but why would u need to in the first place??!!

In the cnet link, the whole exposure and color are totally off! As for the 2nd comment, I think that we should all have 1 MP cameras...should be good enough for memories, right?

No, there are salvageable shots and there aren't. 1MP cameras won't give you this.

You are missing the point, because ALL of these phone cameras actually blow hard compared to my 16megapixel Nex-5N that has a sensor the size of a phone's battery. And even then, I still post process my images when necessary.

If you wanted to use any phone picture (post it for other people to see, to print etc) , you'll likely have to process it after the fact. I know my iPHone 4's camera kills most phone cameras out there, but I'm still post processing all of the ones I keep or use. It's not like correcting for white balance or exposure takes more than one click in Picasa.

Thai · Nov 29, 2011

Sorry guys, i don't re-touch my pics, either with my Iphone or with my Canon...i barely have time to load them into my laptop much less open a separate program just to re-touch the loads of pics that i take of my kids! Not practical...just like carrying a separate P&S camera just so that i can take spontaneous pics of my kids. 5 years ago, i agree with you guys...but not nowadays.

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