*Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread

nj02vette · Dec 9, 2011

jkc120 said:
I have no clue about the details of the contract, but let's consider the two scenarios:

1. Verizon caves and includes google wallet. They lose some revenue from ISIS, but still make money selling the phones and getting people locked into new 2 year contracts.

2. Verizon throws up their hands, refuses to sell the phone and all that stock goes to resellers (where hopefully they would sell for less than the full retail, I don't see them selling ALL those phones at full retail). Verizon loses revenue on the phones, they lose 2-year contract renewals, and they STILL lose any possible ISIS revenue.

I'm no business major, but if they think #2 is a better choice, they are . This is akin to a young child stubbornly refusing to go to bed even after they've already lost tv privileges and other consequences which started their tantrum and refusal to go to bed in the first place.

Seriously, Verizon, if you're reading any of this, stop puffing out your chest and screwing over your customers and sell the damn phone.

What happens when as part of option 1, you have a contractural obligation to support ISIS, with a lot of money in penalties if you don't (or future business, etc)?

foreWard · Dec 9, 2011

tpags said:
LOL.

Negri Electronics has a $45 off a purchase today with a coupon code of 'VZSucks'.

https://twitter.com/?lang=en&logged_out=1#!/NegriElectronic/status/145238791450398720

OK, I scrolled 5 pages, tired of looking....I assume this was a joke and I am the only one who fell for it......wouldnt work for me anyway....

AntimonyER · Dec 9, 2011

Wow, not every day you feel vindicated. I was just saying it sounds more and more like wallet related... When The Source confirmed it was corporate reasons that is the only thing that made sense. And it just so happens that the delay occurred right after Google and verizon traded press statements on verizon.

Premium1 · Dec 9, 2011

nj02vette said:
What happens when as part of option 1, you have a contractural obligation to support ISIS, with a lot of money in penalties if you don't (or future business, etc)?

Well technically if they just allowed gw in the market I am sure they could say they are showing that it is an add on and maybe have an option to automatically use isis or have to download gw? Something along those lines.

Reborn58 · Dec 9, 2011

AntimonyER said:
Wow, not every day you feel vindicated. I was just saying it sounds more and more like wallet related... When The Source confirmed it was corporate reasons that is the only thing that made sense. And it just so happens that the delay occurred right after Google and verizon traded press statements on verizon.

Makes me wonder how quickly they can really iron out all this legal mumbo jumbo and how quickly we can actually expect this thing to get in our hands..

guyinmass · Dec 9, 2011

truelove79 said:
Is no one else worried about this whole ISIS/Google Wallet dispute rumor? This has potential to not only cancel the phone entirely, but screw all future Nexus phones on Verizon. Verizon will not be pushed around and would rather cut all ties with Google than be told what to do. I for one am very scared, and no I am not exaggerating or kidding in any way.

The non-inclusion of Google Wallet seems like something that would have been worked out between Verizon/Google fairly early on, and not at the last minute.

Also, if thought was given to canceling the phone, would they have even bothered to ship thousands of units to stores this week?

Premium1 · Dec 9, 2011

foreWard said:
OK, I scrolled 5 pages, tired of looking....I assume this was a joke and I am the only one who fell for it......wouldnt work for me anyway....

it is for only non verizon phones anyway.

HanSolo · Dec 9, 2011

Reborn58 said:
@HanSolo Man, I am only like 20 minutes from that West Dundee store. Why did that guy say they were selling them if when you called they said they couldnt?

I'm wondering if it's even the same store? I got a voicemail back from the guy and he said that he didn't know when he told me, but some guy already has his name for first dibs on it when it's able to be sold.

I asked him who it was, but of course he couldn't tell me, although he said it was a "regular".

Oh well. That was pretty far for me anyway.

BabyBlues · Dec 9, 2011

trav473 said:
Off topic

My wife was showing me a few things she had bought for out boys and she pulled out this book for our 8 year old. I LOLed and imediately went to amazon to snag this pic perhaps BB can "shop" it for ya.

woodstorm said:
My son has that one and the Darth Vader one too. I keep stepping on little paper Yodas all over the house. Kinda creepy.

I haven't seen Yoda yet but I love the pic!

AntimonyER · Dec 9, 2011

I am not so sure it's just wallet though. I was reading about it, and Google is not making the API for the secure element open source. So I don't think verizon could use Isis even if it wanted to.

bsems1000 · Dec 9, 2011

This long drawn out situation Verizon has created is actually a good thing (looking back at this) becuase:
If the worst case scenario happens and the Nexus is indeed dropped altogether. I have an easy choice to leave Verizon. The Nexus is the only phone I want, I've been due for an upgrade since August. So wherever that goes, I'll go.

ajdroidx · Dec 9, 2011

If this ISIS google wallet thing is true then verizon is turning into apple. Telling us what we Can and CANNOT do with our device. It should be OUR choice what services we want to use not the carriers.

Bmxant · Dec 9, 2011

clearym said:
Why not import the GSM version?

I thought about buying the iPhone4S and selling it as "Brand New" to buy myself the Note, but there's a few issues with that.

1. I'm stuck with AT&T for another 2 dreadful years

2. The phone breaks and I'm screwed.

3. Did I mention AT&T?

Unlimited Data or not, who cares when you max out at 2Mb and get dropped calls all the time.

darejer · Dec 9, 2011

jkc120 said:
I have no clue about the details of the contract, but let's consider the two scenarios:

1. Verizon caves and includes google wallet. They lose some revenue from ISIS, but still make money selling the phones and getting people locked into new 2 year contracts.

2. Verizon throws up their hands, refuses to sell the phone and all that stock goes to resellers (where hopefully they would sell for less than the full retail, I don't see them selling ALL those phones at full retail). Verizon loses revenue on the phones, they lose 2-year contract renewals, and they STILL lose any possible ISIS revenue.

I'm no business major, but if they think #2 is a better choice, they are . This is akin to a young child stubbornly refusing to go to bed even after they've already lost tv privileges and other consequences which started their tantrum and refusal to go to bed in the first place.

Seriously, Verizon, if you're reading any of this, stop puffing out your chest and screwing over your customers and sell the damn phone.

Couldn't agree with you more. But the problem is that it is a cyclical argument in the sense that they are already doing it to a limited extent. This is the peak retail sales time of the year. Everyday that it is delayed means thousands in lost revenue (as people go to other carriers - read: SGSII variants). So... either they are bluffing to see if they can get Google to back down (not likely). Or they are only hurting themselves by delaying the inevitable.

VZW was very smart to invest in the best network. That is why people are with them. Without that, the moronic decisions that they make would bankrupt any other company.

AntimonyER · Dec 9, 2011

It will be interesting to see what happens with the tech blogs when it's general consensus that it was all about money...

timetoroot · Dec 9, 2011

Though VZ has been irritating with this ridiculous launch attempt, they have put themselves in an interesting position with me. I just received one of those $100 off any 4G phone mailers. Even better, I still have my last NE2. I called them to ask if I can use them in combination and they said yes! Now here is where they are walking a fine line with me. This $100 off campaign I was told is until 12/31. If the Nexus comes out before then they may have just redeemed themselves a little with me. If not, I am going to be PISSED having been teased with a $100 discount! We will see how this one plays out.

fakecodename47 · Dec 9, 2011

What happened to that guy who was in here saying that he works for Verizon and they have been saying for over a month now that even if they have bugs they are going to release the phone on the 15th. Im interested to see if he has heard anything new because I think that is that first time I saw the 15th as a possible date. I think that was about 2 weeks ago maybe.

AntimonyER · Dec 9, 2011

ajdroidx said:
If this ISIS google wallet thing is true then verizon is turning into apple. Telling us what we Can and CANNOT do with our device. It should be OUR choice what services we want to use not the carriers.

Yes, but like it has been said, carriers and Google see dollar signs. They all want in.

zx10droid · Dec 9, 2011

and with that... the pace of the forum is right back to breakneck speed

Deleted User · Dec 9, 2011

ItsASamsung said:
While a lot of you are complaining about Verizon I thought I might change up the mood here a bit and focus on everything that I like about Verizon:

Having a grandfathered unlimited data plan

Having the most reliable network with the best coverage

Having my data unthrottled

Having blazing fast 4G LTE in almost 200 markets

Top customer service out of the big 4 carriers

Reasonable pricing

Not AT&T

Feel free to add to the list.

Verizon keeps $300 that would go to a new phone in my bank account.

woodraskam · Dec 9, 2011

AntimonyER said:
It will be interesting to see what happens with the tech blogs when it's general consensus that it was all about money...

That's the thing. If this gets enough media attention, Verizon will be forced to act. I would encourage anyone with a twitter campaign to start including the GWallet topic.

burntorangefan · Dec 9, 2011

truelove79 said:
I'm sorry, I just know what Verizon is capable of. This phone is my holy grail. I've wanted a Nexus phone for a very long time, and I cannot have any other carrier besides Verizon. If they screw this up, I may lose it. And even when this phone does get released, they may simply refuse to support it/release updates.

Then just root it. It's the easiest phone of any to root and you'll get your updates more timely than anyone else. Don't panic, don't worry. Be happy. The Nexus will most likely be here before Christmas...

dmodert66 · Dec 9, 2011

bsems1000 said:
This long drawn out situation Verizon has created is actually a good thing (looking back at this) becuase:
If the worst case scenario happens and the Nexus is indeed dropped altogether. I have an easy choice to leave Verizon. The Nexus is the only phone I want, I've been due for an upgrade since August. So wherever that goes, I'll go.

Depends on where your coming from. It's not an easy choice for all of us. I will stay with VZW simply because of the signal. All of my friends drop calls frequently, while I don't. I have friends on ATT, Tmobile and Sprint. They ALL have severe dead spots (some in home) and drop calls often. For me, a particular phone will not make me leave. Now, would I get a Rezound/Razor or wait until something better comes along? Not sure yet, but I don't see it happening anyway (Nexus canceled).

gapi · Dec 9, 2011

OT Time Killer,

Took the Cell phone carrier out for a bit today.

The cooler weather is good for 20 more HP. Fun.

Up on I-75 I just slowly floated @ 80 mph by one of these rednecks that like to take a brand new truck and install a fake hood scoop, drop 2k worth of SS exhaust on the ground and spend another $500.00 on the painful in-cab resonating flow master mufflers with chrome tips. Topping it all off with heavier power robbing rough riding tires and some K&N air filter stickers and such. Heh!

Next thing I know here he is beside me picking on me, leaning over his steering wheel gawking at me like, Cmon! I Dare Ya!
Who knows, maybe he seen the Joe Gibbs rear spoiler or the Vortec HighOutput badge and figured it was as fake as his stuff.

I did a little goose and he bit so I just stayed with him until his 100 mph speed limiter stunted him and then I cleaned out my pipes up to 125 mph and let off waiting. Heh! He opted out.

Luv My Truck!

darejer · Dec 9, 2011

AntimonyER said:
It will be interesting to see what happens with the tech blogs when it's general consensus that it was all about money...

It is about money no matter what. Whether it is ISIS, a software bug, a hardware bug, network problems, or any other stupid reason... it is all about money. They don't care about you getting a "bugfree" device for altruistic reasons. They care about you keeping your phone, not costing them time with CSR/tech support, not having to replace your phone, and you making lots of calls, texts, data usage, purchases, etc...

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