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[Verizon] Tethering

Back when I was using the mobile hotspots on my Thunderbolt my connection was always slower when I was tethering. I figured it was something related to the hardware but then again when I tethered on my Droid Eris I would get very fast speeds (3rd party)

Since you are paying VZW it may be worth to try 3rd party apps to see if they get you faster speeds. (mods I'd this is against TOS please just remove this part).

Hope I helped!
 
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Back when I was using the mobile hotspots on my Thunderbolt my connection was always slower when I was tethering. I figured it was something related to the hardware but then again when I tethered on my Droid Eris I would get very fast speeds (3rd party)

Since you are paying VZW it may be worth to try 3rd party apps to see if they get you faster speeds. (mods I'd this is against TOS please just remove this part).

Hope I helped!

Well, the OP's disclosure of his using the VZW Mobile Hotspot certainly helps, but let's not let the discussion get "grey" by bringing-in 3rd party references.

I can't imagine that VZW would or could be throttling since the connection is paid and on the up-and-up (that wouldn't make sense).

Does it make a difference if you are using 3G vs. 4G? (perhaps there's something about the new (LTE) network that is slower when tethering?).

Thanks!
 
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Thank you all for the replies. I will try a 3rd party app any recommendations?

As long as your doing it with a tethering plan(tos say you need a tethering plan not that you have to use the VZW tethering app that sucks; AF policy doesn't mention apps either, just plans:
Tethering without a carrier required plan is theft of services. You are stealing from the carrier. It goes beyond modifying your own personal device.
) I have no issue saying wifi tether is usually very good(its somewhere on google code, just search)
Edit: Edit 2: don't want to get in trouble, if its against the rules to talk about 3rd party tethering apps at all, I'm sorry and feel free to remove my post
 
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I use both 3rd party apps and vzw (I'm subscribed). I haven't tried streaming netflix with a 3rd party app yet, but will tonight. It works fine on VZW subscription for me, although I can't get HD on netflix streaming.

Generally I get much faster real world use speeds on tethering 4G (downloading, video watching, web surfing) than I do on my phone. However speedtests from the app on my phone show the mobile (non-tethered) connection to be faster.

I have noticed that during 4G outages, my vzw 4G tethering has stopped working a few times (maybe can't verify subscription), and I couldn't tether 3G with it either, but a 3rd party app still worked on 3G (I can't remember which one --- probably the most popular one on the market).

However, it's been a while since I used a 3rd party app b/c it's been inconsistent for me. It will work great for a few minutes, but then reset the connection. I'll have to try it again for a bit to see how stable the 3rd party app tethering is.
 
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AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?

Sorry for the caps but I've read many discussions regarding Verizon's hotspot/tethering subscription and 3rd party apps that allow this.

Excuse me if I'm out of line but, this is a NEXUS device. As with the Nexus One - the ability to use the phone as a mobile hotspot is -built-in- to the Android OS. This is a setting that you easily navigate to and switch on and off.

Why the talk of 3rd party apps or the Verizon subscription? I'm new to Big Red but my understanding of my last TOS was that as long as I'm not modifying my device to get around the TOS (including the mobile hotspot plan) it's A OK. WiFi and USB tethering is, again, built in to the Android OS. Only non pure-Google, non-NEXUS devices have this setting stripped out of the OS.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?

Sorry for the caps but I've read many discussions regarding Verizon's hotspot/tethering subscription and 3rd party apps that allow this.

Excuse me if I'm out of line but, this is a NEXUS device. As with the Nexus One - the ability to use the phone as a mobile hotspot is -built-in- to the Android OS. This is a setting that you easily navigate to and switch on and off.

Why the talk of 3rd party apps or the Verizon subscription? I'm new to Big Red but my understanding of my last TOS was that as long as I'm not modifying my device to get around the TOS (including the mobile hotspot plan) it's A OK. WiFi and USB tethering is, again, built in to the Android OS. Only non pure-Google, non-NEXUS devices have this setting stripped out of the OS.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

if you try to access the built in setting on the GNex, it will check for a subscription to VZ's tethering plan before it allows the option to be turned on. there are several ROMs that remove this check, as well as apps that will allow you to tether through them, but the built-in option will not work on the stock ROM unless you are paying for it.
 
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if you try to access the built in setting on the GNex, it will check for a subscription to VZ's tethering plan before it allows the option to be turned on. there are several ROMs that remove this check, as well as apps that will allow you to tether through them, but the built-in option will not work on the stock ROM unless you are paying for it.

Then I apologize, I did not know VZ was allowed to modify that.

Maybe it's just my device? Or I am now wondering maybe because I purchased it from AmazonWireless (with a Verizon 2-yr contract).

When I switch it on, it just turns on. And I've been sharing my WiFi with a friend's Galaxy Tab. I've had no issues so I guess I got lucky. There is also nothing on my bill in regards to the mobile hotspot.

I didn't mean to post that to brag, I'm just feeling a lot better about my particular Galaxy Nexus, LOL. Now that I think of it, I hope the next OTA doesn't break it.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I am on the stock ROM, I haven't rooted nor touched the bootloader as of yet. For some reason, this was working for me out of the box.

DOUBLE EDIT: A BIG APOLOGY TO EVERYONE HERE, I am officially an idiot. I never noticed, but I use Quick Settings (free) and Quicker (not-free but same as Quick Settings basically) to turn on my hot-spot. I go to settings to edit the broadcasted name and occasionally to turn off the hotspot.

I didn't realize until it was just explained to me, that if you try to check the box while the hotspot is off - it DOES check to see if I am subscribed.

Silly me.
 
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Now that is cleared up, and I am assuming I can talk about this, if not let me know and I will delete this post immediately.

The thought of charging for this is utterly ridiculous IMO. We are paying for the data. The feature is a built-in feature of Android. Verizon charging for the mobile hotspot feature of Android phones is akin to them charging me because I stream music and movies from my Nexus to my Xbox. It's the same as if: if enough people streamed to their Xbox, they may strip the feature from Android and then charge a monthly fee simply because it's a feature of Android that people use and enjoy.

We are paying for the data, why charge extra solely because I am making good use of it?

EDIT: Just wanted to quote a post I read in another forum, pretty much hits it right on I think:

DROOSH: "Tethering is not a service the carriers provide. It is native functionality of the OS and device. Verizon adds nothing to the equation."
 
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Now that is cleared up, and I am assuming I can talk about this, if not let me know and I will delete this post immediately.

The thought of charging for this is utterly ridiculous IMO. We are paying for the data. The feature is a built-in feature of Android. Verizon charging for the mobile hotspot feature of Android phones is akin to them charging me because I stream music and movies from my Nexus to my Xbox. It's the same as if: if enough people streamed to their Xbox, they may strip the feature from Android and then charge a monthly fee simply because it's a feature of Android that people use and enjoy.

We are paying for the data, why charge extra solely because I am making good use of it?

EDIT: Just wanted to quote a post I read in another forum, pretty much hits it right on I think:

DROOSH: "Tethering is not a service the carriers provide. It is native functionality of the OS and device. Verizon adds nothing to the equation."

Respectfully I disagree with you.

Tethering is very much a service offered by the carrier. Yes it is built into android but the data you pay for according to your contract if you don't have a tethering plan is specified as data that will be used on your device and not connected to another device. The free tether was removed from the Nexus S 4G in an update because it violated Sprint's ToS so apparently Google feels that if tethering is banned from the contract with the carrier it is not something provided by Android but is in fact a service offered by the carrier.
 
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Well, its funny you should ask, AnotherFatalEpic...just this afternoon, there was an update to the policy regarding discussions re. tethering here at AF:

http://androidforums.com/site-updates-announcements/490815-change-our-tethering-policy-our-approach-some-other-content.html#post3864270

This is welcome news for all since its been a very difficult topic to moderate, as I'm sure many of you are aware.

I hope this helps clear the air (and loosen the reins a little).

Cheers!

Wait...so just to be clear if someone asks how to tether now I can point them towards the wifitether app on google code without getting in trouble?
 
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Respectfully I disagree with you.

Tethering is very much a service offered by the carrier. Yes it is built into android but the data you pay for according to your contract if you don't have a tethering plan is specified as data that will be used on your device and not connected to another device. The free tether was removed from the Nexus S 4G in an update because it violated Sprint's ToS so apparently Google feels that if tethering is banned from the contract with the carrier it is not something provided by Android but is in fact a service offered by the carrier.
I'm not picking sides in this but I really liked this analogy I saw somewhere:

My water utility sells me metered water for washing dishes, watering the lawn, showering, and other limited purposes.
The utility offers a Tasting plan for an additional monthly charge. Under this plan, I am allowed to use the water also for cooking and drinking. (Even though my water use is metered, and each gallon of water for cooking and drinking is delivered by the same pipes!)

Dear customer: our records indicate that you have been using water for cooking and/or drinking. Please upgrade your water rater plan to our convenient Tasting plan that allows for this usage. If you continue to use water for cooking and drinking, you will be signed up for the Tasting plan automatically.

I think the Tasting plan is just a fee that they made up. It isn't a service they provide. They just want more money from me. I've got a workaround of using a container to obtain water from another room for the purposes of cooking and drinking.


Some people shout: Theft of service!
But what service? They're already delivering water to me, and metering it, and I'm paying for it, and its delivered by the same pipes!


Some people shout: but you signed an agreement and using the water for cooking and drinking is a breach of that agreement!
Ask a lawyer about the term "unconscionable contract".
Nobody in their right mind would agree to this if they had any actual choice in the matter. Just because they have the power and can force you into paying this ridiculous fee or doing without doesn't make it right.
I say that this Tasting "service" is no service at all, it's just a fee for delivering nothing at all extra to me. It's a case of the utility wanting something for nothing. Yet people seem to think it is somehow wrong to use the water I'm paying for for drinking or cooking unless I sign up for the more expensive Tasting plan.
In order to add legitimacy to their Tasting plan, the water company says that the Tasting plan is actually delivering something: it includes an additional 2 Gigabytes of water per month, giving you 4 total Gigabytes of water.But what if I only need 2 Gigabytes of water and therefore my existing monthly 2 Gigabyte plan is plenty? The water company already charges $10 per extra Gigabyte of water I use over the limit. So if I used excess water, it's not like they wouldn't get paid.
Furthermore, once I sign up for the Tasting plan, they don't make any distinction between water used for drinking/cooking and water used for other purposes. I could use 3/4 of it for tasting, and 1/4 for bathing/dishwashing. Or any other split. Or all of it purely for tasting. So then if I paid for Tasting and used only 2 Gigabytes of water, which I already had paid for, then why did I need the Tasting plan?
 
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Wait...so just to be clear if someone asks how to tether now I can point them towards the wifitether app on google code without getting in trouble?

LOL, well, I think Phases' post speaks for itself, but the "TL;DR" :)p) answer is "yes".

We would certainly encourage users to honor and heed their carrier's terms-of-service, but yes, we will no longer prohibit conversations about tethering.

Cheers!
 
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Wait...so just to be clear if someone asks how to tether now I can point them towards the wifitether app on google code without getting in trouble?


yes you can




I'm not picking sides in this but I really liked this analogy I saw somewhere:

My water utility sells me metered water for washing dishes, watering the lawn, showering, and other limited purposes.
The utility offers a Tasting plan for an additional monthly charge. Under this plan, I am allowed to use the water also for cooking and drinking. (Even though my water use is metered, and each gallon of water for cooking and drinking is delivered by the same pipes!)

Dear customer: our records indicate that you have been using water for cooking and/or drinking. Please upgrade your water rater plan to our convenient Tasting plan that allows for this usage. If you continue to use water for cooking and drinking, you will be signed up for the Tasting plan automatically.

I think the Tasting plan is just a fee that they made up. It isn't a service they provide. They just want more money from me. I've got a workaround of using a container to obtain water from another room for the purposes of cooking and drinking.


Some people shout: Theft of service!
But what service? They're already delivering water to me, and metering it, and I'm paying for it, and its delivered by the same pipes!


Some people shout: but you signed an agreement and using the water for cooking and drinking is a breach of that agreement!
Ask a lawyer about the term "unconscionable contract".
Nobody in their right mind would agree to this if they had any actual choice in the matter. Just because they have the power and can force you into paying this ridiculous fee or doing without doesn't make it right.
I say that this Tasting "service" is no service at all, it's just a fee for delivering nothing at all extra to me. It's a case of the utility wanting something for nothing. Yet people seem to think it is somehow wrong to use the water I'm paying for for drinking or cooking unless I sign up for the more expensive Tasting plan.
In order to add legitimacy to their Tasting plan, the water company says that the Tasting plan is actually delivering something: it includes an additional 2 Gigabytes of water per month, giving you 4 total Gigabytes of water.But what if I only need 2 Gigabytes of water and therefore my existing monthly 2 Gigabyte plan is plenty? The water company already charges $10 per extra Gigabyte of water I use over the limit. So if I used excess water, it's not like they wouldn't get paid.
Furthermore, once I sign up for the Tasting plan, they don't make any distinction between water used for drinking/cooking and water used for other purposes. I could use 3/4 of it for tasting, and 1/4 for bathing/dishwashing. Or any other split. Or all of it purely for tasting. So then if I paid for Tasting and used only 2 Gigabytes of water, which I already had paid for, then why did I need the Tasting plan?

I really don't understand why people feel the need to us analogies in this matter. This isn't water it is mobile data service and has been reviewed by the FCC. I am not exactly a fan of tiered tethering plans but still stick with my opinion that you are offered the plan to tether unlike your analogy where you aren't offered specific use contracts for water.

I just stated my opinion if you tether against your ToS that is your deal not mine. If you try to argue the contract you signed is wrong and my opinion is as well I will give input as well.
 
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When providers offered "unlimited" plans, forbidding or charging for tethering made sense, because tethering users would often use much more data than other "unlimited" users.

With tiered plans, charging for tethering isn't a matter of judiciously dealing out shared resources--it's sheer greed. If people have to pay for 2 GB of data, they should be able to use the 2 GB however they choose.

I know some people don't care about analogies, but the restaurant one seems most appropriate to me. If you go to an all-you-can-eat restaurant, it only makes sense that the restaurant wouldn't want you piling up a ton of food to go--it's not a sustainable business model. If, however, you go to a regular restaurant and pay for a steak, they're just going to throw away the half-eaten steak anyway, and you paid for it, so they let you take the leftovers to go.
 
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Wow I was unaware of the AF policy change until today. I dislike having to pay to tethering as Im already paying for unlimited data. However as much as I dislike paying for this service. It is the only service that works every time I turn it on. without having to reconfigure settings. I dont use it often but It is there when I would like to look at something at work on my netbook or tablet that my work PC blocks
 
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I really don't understand why people feel the need to us analogies in this matter. This isn't water it is mobile data service and has been reviewed by the FCC. I am not exactly a fan of tiered tethering plans but still stick with my opinion that you are offered the plan to tether unlike your analogy where you aren't offered specific use contracts for water.

I just stated my opinion if you tether against your ToS that is your deal not mine. If you try to argue the contract you signed is wrong and my opinion is as well I will give input as well.

We use analogies to shine light on the situation and explain our point of view, I am arguing that it is wrong for carriers to charge an extra usage fee for data that I am already being charged for. I am not arguing that it is right to violate the ToS (even though, in this case I feel that it is).

As you said, we aren't signing contracts based on how we use our water. Exactly. If we did that would be a problem in itself. For the same reason we feel it is a problem with mobile data. I am paying a monthly fee for 2GB of data, it should not matter how I use that data. I know the ToS is worded to specify how I use that data, of course, the ToS is obviously going to reflect what the carrier wants.

I go back to comparing with the carrier specifying on how we use our devices. Like I mentioned, if enough people used Android phones to stream media to a gaming console - carriers could rewrite the ToS and specify that we need to pay an additional monthly fee if we want to continue doing so.

The carrier should charge users based on voice/text, and data usage. It is as if (again with analogies) they charged me extra for receiving tracking updates via text messages. They could re-write the ToS and charge me because I'm enjoying the convenience of text tracking and not specifically texting between other cell phone users.

The fact that the carrier can get Google to update their own devices as to not violate the ToS does not prove that WiFi tethering is a carrier provided feature. What I mean is that the carrier provides us with the service as far as the voice and data that allows us to use our phones - but the actual WiFi tethering is a feature of the device itself. Meaning, this is not something they do on their end or have any "work" for. It is just us using our data - though, differently.
 
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When providers offered "unlimited" plans, forbidding or charging for tethering made sense, because tethering users would often use much more data than other "unlimited" users.

With tiered plans, charging for tethering isn't a matter of judiciously dealing out shared resources--it's sheer greed. If people have to pay for 2 GB of data, they should be able to use the 2 GB however they choose.

I agree with you there. On a tiered plan I don't agree someone should have to pay for the 2GB overage to tether unless they actually use it. But on an unlimited the person tethering is getting an additional feature since the unlimited data is bring transferred to a device or multiple devices that can potentially chew up data faster than the phone is capable of.




We use analogies to shine light on the situation and explain our point of view, I am arguing that it is wrong for carriers to charge an extra usage fee for data that I am already being charged for. I am not arguing that it is right to violate the ToS (even though, in this case I feel that it is).

As you said, we aren't signing contracts based on how we use our water. Exactly. If we did that would be a problem in itself. For the same reason we feel it is a problem with mobile data. I am paying a monthly fee for 2GB of data, it should not matter how I use that data. I know the ToS is worded to specify how I use that data, of course, the ToS is obviously going to reflect what the carrier wants.

I go back to comparing with the carrier specifying on how we use our devices. Like I mentioned, if enough people used Android phones to stream media to a gaming console - carriers could rewrite the ToS and specify that we need to pay an additional monthly fee if we want to continue doing so.

The carrier should charge users based on voice/text, and data usage. It is as if (again with analogies) they charged me extra for receiving tracking updates via text messages. They could re-write the ToS and charge me because I'm enjoying the convenience of text tracking and not specifically texting between other cell phone users.

The fact that the carrier can get Google to update their own devices as to not violate the ToS does not prove that WiFi tethering is a carrier provided feature. What I mean is that the carrier provides us with the service as far as the voice and data that allows us to use our phones - but the actual WiFi tethering is a feature of the device itself. Meaning, this is not something they do on their end or have any "work" for. It is just us using our data - though, differently.

If you are on a tiered plan really the only thing I could say is you are risking your contract. Like I said before your deal not mine. I actually quoted to say the carriers do specify how you can use other tiered services as well and have done for as long as I remember. For example you can't use your phone as a receiver for 800/900 numbers. You also can't use your texts for hosting subscription based text services
 
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Yes but to some people banning tethering is an obvious has obvious reasons as well. Personally I would like to see them lift the tethering restriction on tiered plans.

Glad to see your on the right side of the fence but what I meant is that you cannot compare 'being charged twice for the same data' to 'being restricted from using your personal voice/data services to run a text based business or use as a business line'.
 
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