iPhone not coming to verizon? Don't hold out on D. Incredible!! (Article inside)

sabrewings said:

Because they are supreme overlord of their products. They don't allow significant customizing, building your own, or a lot of feeling that its "mine". I'll take a Linux box over Windows or OSX any day. It's easy to make a great computer product when you insist on controlling every aspect of it.

Macs are for people who want their hand held in the computing experience. PCs (Linux and somewhat Windows) are for the rest of us who want to be a part of the experience, not just on the outside.

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"Macs are for people who want their hand held in the computing experience. PCs (Linux and somewhat Windows) are for the rest of us who want to be a part of the experience, not just on the outside.[/QUOTE]"

Im sure you are a happy group. All 1% of the overall market of you. Im no tech novice and the only "experience" I am looking for in a desktop/lap top is stability and speed.

Bearly said:

Android's potential is immediately obvious to me - a very tech-savvy user -

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Guy at work, his mom bought one, she's old.

She bought a DI, and figured out how to tether her computer and use skype all on her own. He was certainly shocked at this!

I'm not so sure a "very tech-savvy user" is valid here

WizeGuyDezignz said:

Did you notice that I used the word "most" and not "all"? So what's stereotypical about it? To me "most" would be over 50% of the people who are sitting on laptops in a Starbucks. In my PERSONAL experience, over 50% of the people I've ever seen in a Starbucks are rocking a Macbook and/or an iPhone/iPod.

That constitutes most for me. And I don't go to Starbucks much because I don't drink coffee. My girlfriend does so I go with her every so often. Is this scientific and universal data? No. But I never claimed it was.

And I don't care how long you have been using Apple products. I never asked nor do I care. What does that have to do with my statement in the first place? Sounds like an elitist cry to me.

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WizeGuyDezignz said:

Most people want an iPhone because it's trendy and a status symbol. It's not a coincidence that most people in a Starbucks are working away on their Macbook and have an iPhone attached to their hip. Trendy places attract trendy people.

Just look at the people who shop inside of Hollister and Abercrombie and Fitch stores. Same story.

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You mean since you said "most" rather than "all", that's not stereotyping? I took issue with your insulting, blanket statements above. Using your idiotic logic, I guess your girlfriend goes to Starbucks because she's trying to be trendy right? Why else would she pay 3 times the price for that same cup of coffee she can get at McDonalds. And since you felt you had to share "your PERSONAL experience" that "most" people who use Apple products are just trying to be trendy, I felt the need to share my personal experience of actually using their products. Do you own any Apple products?

You're original post was insulting and your response moronic.

syntrix said:

Guy at work, his mom bought one, she's old.

She bought a DI, and figured out how to tether her computer and use skype all on her own. He was certainly shocked at this!

I'm not so sure a "very tech-savvy user" is valid here

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That's pretty cool!

However, would you agree that she's probably not the "average" ?

We're not talking about outliers, we're talking about majority user within a particular niche - e.g. non-technical vs. technical.

Apple's mass marketed products are not typically for the tweakers/tech-savvy users; they cater to the general populace. Also, if they made a complicated product for the general market, the company would risk a burden on its technical support.

wow. this thread has an incredible (no pun intended) amount of fanboys arguing sides.

i like my DI. really. i think that Android is gaining in popularity and the market will move forward. but the platform has yet to be taken seriously, which is why people want to stick with/wait for the next iPhone.

my experience so far has been that there is no music player for Android that can do continuous playback. so until i can listen to an album like "Dark Side of the Moon" without track cuts between songs, it's simply a mediocre music player. consider that playing music is one of the primary functions of the iphone (after being a phone), and you begin to see the tip of the iceberg.

but most important is the application development. i'm a guitarist. and there are simply no serious applications out there for musicians like there are for the iPhone. and seemingly, there are none in development. so until creative app developers take the platform seriously, Android will continue to be a toy. and if that development doesn't come before the Verizon iPhone, then there's no reason to stay with Android unless you really like paying $6.99 to play Pac-Man.

Help!I'maRock! said:

wow. this thread has an incredible (no pun intended) amount of fanboys arguing sides.

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fanboy or fanboi was started to classify the minions of the rotten apple. I'm confused as to why they are fighting amongst themselves.

Help!I'maRock! said:

i like my DI. really. i think that Android is gaining in popularity and the market will move forward. but the platform has yet to be taken seriously, which is why people want to stick with/wait for the next iPhone.

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Major players already have apps in the market place, I would say that this platform is being taken seriously.

Help!I'maRock! said:

my experience so far has been that there is no music player for Android that can do continuous playback. so until i can listen to an album like "Dark Side of the Moon" without track cuts between songs, it's simply a mediocre music player. consider that playing music is one of the primary functions of the iphone (after being a phone), and you begin to see the tip of the iceberg.

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This is one example from you, and a good one! I wonder if the few dollar ones do it well? You know, the ones without a free trial? I'm not so sure it's the "tip of the iceberg" or that a music player is the primary function over "phone" to everyone.

Help!I'maRock! said:

but most important is the application development. i'm a guitarist. and there are simply no serious applications out there for musicians like there are for the iPhone. and seemingly, there are none in development. so until creative app developers take the platform seriously, Android will continue to be a toy. and if that development doesn't come before the Verizon iPhone, then there's no reason to stay with Android unless you really like paying $6.99 to play Pac-Man.

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What specific programs? Generalizations are what make fanbois, well, fanbois. It's this problem that classes the iphone as a toy, and why android sales are killing apple.

Bearly said:

That's pretty cool!

However, would you agree that she's probably not the "average" ?

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From what I was told, she doesn't understand technology very well.

civicsixxx said:

I'm still on the fence regarding iPhone vs Android for my next phone. Both have clear advantages. I'm not leaving Verizon so of course I really don't have a choice now, but if the iPhone does come it will be a tough decision to make. Also, there really hasn't been an Android phone to come out that fully meets what I'm looking for either.

iPhone

• Has a clear leg-up when it comes to third party support. Many websites/companies put their attention to the iPhone first because it's still the most popular platform and probably will be for a long time.

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This is true, and it's one of the things that gave the iPod a leg up over the competition as well. I remember a time when I owned a Dell DJ and while it rivaled the iPod and was substantially cheaper, it was the aftermarket accessories that really swayed me. Never did get the DJ working well in my car, and that is what ultimately ended up being the selling point for the iPod.

Fortunately, because of the popularity of the Inc, it looks like a lot of the better accessory vendors are going to jump on board. But at the moment, pickings are pretty slim.

• I already have my media in iTunes and have purchased games for my iTouch. Having this with me 24x7 is a huge plus.

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You're in luck - check out DoubleTwist. You can keep your media in iTunes and easily sync it with the Inc.

• There's only one iPhone a year while it seems like there's a new Android phone every month at least. It's makes signing that 2 year contract really tough. At least with the iPhone I know I'll have the best option for a year.

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Not sure how compelling that point would be for me in favor of the iPhone. One of the nice things is that these phones likely won't retain their value as well as the iPhone tends to. As a result, if you opt for last year's model, you can still affordably buy a phone outside of contract. So, while it might not be the latest, you certainly don't need to feel like you are locked into a particular handset.

• No fragmented OS. Android is getting really sloppy with the multiple versions out there and speed at which their phones are updated. The device manufacturers keep insisting on pushing their custom UIs into their phones (BLUR & Sense). Apple keeps it much simpler.

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No argument there. And the same is true of Linux - its biggest strength is also its biggest weakness, no consistency or standards. I hope that as the OS matures, Google will try to reign in the vendors for the betterment of the platform overall.

Now, I'm not talking about a Steve Jobs level of control, but at least foster a collaborative environment for designing a consistent UI across phones to make them more accessible to new users and non-technophile types.

Android

• Clearly the most customizable and unrestrictive. Things are possible on Android (without root) that iPhone will probably never get.

• It's rapidly growing. I think more apps and attention will come over time. Android just needs that flagship device to attract the masses. The Droid was okay but it still lacked the polish/sexiness to be a homerun.

• Love the customizable widgets and information that's automatically updated right on the homepages.

• Flash = more possibilities

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The only thing I would add is CARRIER CHOICE! Sure, you can unlock an iPhone, but that only allows you to jump to T-Mobile. At this point all of the major carriers have capable Android devices, so you're never stuck with Android. And since VZW beats the hell out of AT&T on all counts in my area, that is a pretty compelling reason.

I think BLUR and Sense are the biggest turn-off for me right now. If Google could somehow reign in these companies to try to unify the platform and ensure they can keep up with the fast pace of OS updates I'd be much higher on Android.

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I think Sense puts that little bit of extra polish on top of Android that it really needs. Overall, I agree with your sentiment, but just know that it does work very well.

AJF said:

I get sooooooooo tired of hearing ridiculous stereotypical sentiments like this. I've been using Apple products from a time when people laughed if you told them you used a Mac. Like most people, I like Apple products because they work extremely well. I make my living using Macs, and that's not something I would jeopardize to just being trendy.

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I get sooooooooo tired of hearing these ridiculous statements. Apple has always put out a product that crashes all the time, or has faulty lcd screens, etc. It's one of the reasons why I don't like Apple products. Their QC is probably the worst in the industry.

Then support..... oh well, we haven't heard of that problem, so it must not be a problem.... feel free to dump it on a 16 year old that knows how to use a screwdriver... we call them geniuses.


iphone on verizon. Apple will be shooting themselves in the foot if they don't expand to other carriers. Investors are already seeing their ATT exclusivity as holding back, and hurting apple.

I'm sure you'll see an iphone on VZ at some point in time. It will probably take some time, so if you need a phone today, go for what's available now that suits your needs!

syntrix said:

fanboy or fanboi was started to classify the minions of the rotten apple. I'm confused as to why they are fighting amongst themselves.




Major players already have apps in the market place, I would say that this platform is being taken seriously.



This is one example from you, and a good one! I wonder if the few dollar ones do it well? You know, the ones without a free trial? I'm not so sure it's the "tip of the iceberg" or that a music player is the primary function over "phone" to everyone.




What specific programs? Generalizations are what make fanbois, well, fanbois. It's this problem that classes the iphone as a toy, and why android sales are killing apple.

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WRT music players, i think people want to do like i want to, and ditch their iPod to have one product that handles everything. phone, music, navigation, internet, and even a crappy camera for non-serious picture takers. obviously, i'm music biased, but having a good player is essential to the experience. especially if you're an album listener like me. this is the one area that iTunes has always excelled in. it analyzes for gapless playback on tracks that need it. show me a player for Android that mimics iTunes, and i'll pay.

relevant iPhone apps:

Intua - MPC (drum sampler)
Jasuto - modular synth
WarmPlace.Ru. SunVox synthesizer - another synth
AmpliTube iRig - guitar amp/effects bundle
Peterson Strobe Tuners - iStroboSoft? for the iPod touch

syntrix said:

I get sooooooooo tired of hearing these ridiculous statements. Apple has always put out a product that crashes all the time, or has faulty lcd screens, etc. It's one of the reasons why I don't like Apple products. Their QC is probably the worst in the industry.

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the only reason i bothered to get an iMac 3 years ago was because my MacBook's HD ate itself after 3 years. other than that, i've never had a problem.

Help!I'maRock! said:

the only reason i bothered to get an iMac 3 years ago was because my MacBook's HD ate itself after 3 years. other than that, i've never had a problem.

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Anecdotal experiences on either side of the fence are really not going to change anyone's mind. Not sure if there's any point in arguing for or against Apple products in this thread, but my experience with Apple and their products has been very positive overall.

I chose the Incredible because it was available on the best carrier in my area and had the features I wanted in a smartphone, plain and simple. But I do try to be objective when choosing technology products and avoid fanaticism wherever possible. I would suggest the same to anyone when choosing a smart phone, blind devotion benefits no one.

cwa107 said:

Anecdotal experiences on either side of the fence are really not going to change anyone's mind. Not sure if there's any point in arguing for or against Apple products in this thread, but my experience with Apple and their products has been very positive overall.

I chose the Incredible because it was available on the best carrier in my area and had the features I wanted in a smartphone, plain and simple. But I do try to be objective when choosing technology products and avoid fanaticism wherever possible. I would suggest the same to anyone when choosing a smart phone, blind devotion benefits no one.

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+1 to all of this.

Help!I'maRock! said:

+1 to all of this.

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I'm not so sure a DI or an iphone are right for you. Just buy a cheap tablet/laptop and there's already freeware for your band.

I'd stick with ATT in your case

garment69 said:

Im sure you are a happy group. All 1% of the overall market of you. Im no tech novice and the only "experience" I am looking for in a desktop/lap top is stability and speed.

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Every Linux setup I've ever had was faster and more stable than Windows or Apple ever were.

syntrix said:

I'm not so sure a DI or an iphone are right for you. Just buy a cheap tablet/laptop and there's already freeware for your band.

I'd stick with ATT in your case

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i've been on Verizon for 8 years. no plans on changing, especially not here in NYC where AT&T is the worst carrier around.

while i agree that most of these programs would do better on a laptop, they're obviously being developed for the iPhone. why is Android being left out? developers are putting their efforts into the iPhone, making it more desirable to creative types than Android. that alone will keep the iPhone around and continue to keep Apple as the standard. the demise of the iPhone will center around availability of niche programs like these for Android.

MisterMixelpix said:

Every Linux setup I've ever had was faster and more stable than Windows or Apple ever were.

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+1

Also, Apple stole BSD and they now charge for it as a "closed source" operating system. There's really nothing innovative coming from Apple anymore.

Android, well we all like what Google is doing here!

Again, apple is killing themselves by not offering their product on other carriers. Then again, who wants 5-6 year old technology in their phone? I certainly will not buy an iphone if it comes to VZ.

You already have the #1 phone here today, the Droid Incredible. Apple is going to have to announce something akin to a golden brick to keep iphone interest this year; and I'm sure it won't do all that the DI does today.

syntrix said:

+1

Also, Apple stole BSD and they now charge for it as a "closed source" operating system. There's really nothing innovative coming from Apple anymore.

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Actually, Darwin, the kernel of OS X is open-source and is the derivative that you speak of.

To say that Apple stole BSD, would be akin to saying that Google stole Linux for Android. They simply based their front end on their own (open source) derivative of that kernel.

Android, well we all like what Google is doing here!

Again, apple is killing themselves by not offering their product on other carriers. Then again, who wants 5-6 year old technology in their phone? I certainly will not buy an iphone if it comes to VZ.

You already have the #1 phone here today, the Droid Incredible. Apple is going to have to announce something akin to a golden brick to keep iphone interest this year; and I'm sure it won't do all that the DI does today.

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Agreed on these points.

Give the people choices, and you shall have the android marketplace.

Cut off their heads, and you'll have jobs' version of what you can enjoy:

Steve Jobs beheads iPad apps for acting like desktops ? The Register

Just one more reason why I WILL NOT GET AN IPHONE if it comes to VZ.

syntrix said:

Give the people choices, and you shall have the android marketplace.

Cut off their heads, and you'll have jobs' version of what you can enjoy:

Steve Jobs beheads iPad apps for acting like desktops ? The Register

Just one more reason why I WILL NOT GET AN IPHONE if it comes to VZ.

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Yep, definitely one of the reasons I opted for the Inc. I can kind of see them trying to keep the App Store clean (porn-wise) and doing some QA testing, but it's this kind of crap that gets me. It's absolutely absurd to cut these guys off at the knees because you arbitrarily didn't like some kind of functional aspect of their product. Imagine pouring in hundreds of development hours just to be treated like this. Quite frankly, if I were a dev, I'd jump onto Android and not look back. If they keep gaining this kind of ground on the backs of their developers, while treating them like dirt, I can't think of anything more "evil".

krokem44 said:

If some of you are thinking about not getting the Dinc, in case the iphone might come to Verizon, you might be holding your breath a lot longer than we previously thought... maybe.

dont-count-on-a-verizon-iphone: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

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When the iPhone and its concept was release, it was ground breaking, now that the Android system and HTC Incredible has reach the market... i find the iPhone not as attractive, even with Verizon.

The next ground breaker will be a TRUE 4g phone with new capabilities with a strong coverage like 3g, 4g right now is a ghost, look for a strong 4g market next year.

sontaikle said:

I wanted an iPhone until the Incredible came out. Now I really don't care.

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My thoughts exactly!

Screw the Die Phone......................whoops................the iPhone. Steve Jobs and Apple and the narcissism.

krokem44 said:

I just heard on the local news radio channel, that AT&T is now going to end their unlimited data plan, and will start charging per usage, in order to free up space when the iphone 4g launches...

Go Verizon!!

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I'm sure it won't be long before VZW does the same. Personally, I'm thankful that I have a 2 year contract.