just a little observation:
I'm using the term "whining" in a very loose sense here, but of the last 10 "whining" posts...
# whining about the 2.1 release: 5 (#381, #371, #365, #363, #355)
# whining about people whining about the 2.1 release: 3 (#385, #383, #372)
# whining about people whining about whining about the 2.1 release: 2 (#378, #377)
half the people were whining about the topic at hand. The other half were either whining about people whining, or whining about people whining about people whining. Please note the mod gets a bye because it's his job to keep the thread on topic.
And sorry if it sounds like i'm just whining about people whining about people whining about people whining about the 2.1 release.