Keep politicians hands off the election process


  1. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Voting is national, we need a national solution.

    Ending the Voting Wars | TPM Editors Blog

    We could eliminate all the problems with voter registration fraud, double voting across state lines, noncitizen voting, and onerous state voter identification requirements by tasking a national independent election agency with registering all eligible voters and providing all voters a national voter card free of charge (including charges for secondary documents needed to verify identity)[FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]Voters would have the option of sharing a thumbprint, which could be used to verify identity if a voter loses or forgets the card. The government would register new voters when they turn 18, graduate high school or drop out. When you fill out a change-of-address card at the post office, your voter registration automatically moves with you.

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  2. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    and this is somehow different than what is already being proposed in various states across the country....... which you whine about every step of the way?

    sounds to me like racism and disenfranchisement of poor elderly blacks...... not to mention discrimination against illegal aliens' right to vote
  3. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm confused. You've come out in opposition of voter id laws claiming they disenfranchise the poor and the ethnic minorities.
  4. ElasticNinja

    ElasticNinja Well-Known Member

    I think its more an issue of a fair system of registering to vote, as is done elsewhere.
  5. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    and yet another ..... the hypocrisy and irony is abundant in this thread
  6. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    **redacted**

    Posted in wrong place
  7. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    The cited author made this suggestion. I still think voter ID laws are a waste of public resources for an almost nonexistent problem. When voting one is required to confirm address, name and sign a declaration of the truth of this confirmation. It's a high risk low reward outcome to falsify the identity of a registered voter. One would have to be certain the real voter hasn't already voted, know the address, and forge a signature that is on file.

    If we are going to have Voter ID, this appears to be an efficient means to standardize and not disenfranchise legit voters as the ID and supporting documents are free.

    It's a much better means than the current legislation written by ALEX.

    These voter suppression laws which were written by Right Wing Nut Paul Weyrich's American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), who infamously said "our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." is nothing less than the Republican Party's attempt to overthrow American Democracy, by lying about voter fraud.

    American Legislative Exchange Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ALEC's membership list and the origin of its model bills were not disclosed; BusinessWeek wrote that "part of ALEC's mission is to present industry-backed legislation as grass-roots work."[7] ALEC's role in drafting and distributing model legislation through its lawmaker members became public knowledge as the result of a Freedom of Information Act filing and a leak of ALEC's internal library of model legislation,[7] resulting in scrutiny and controversy over the group's role in the legislative process. The New York Times wrote that "special interests effectively turn ALEC
  8. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    I don't like the idea of the government having a database of everyones fingerprints. Sure, they say it would be optional, but how long would that last? Independent commissions usually sound like a better idea than they end up being, but pretty much anything would be better than the current system of having the highly partisan by definition Attorneys General pretending to run unbiased elections. The best thing they could do to improve elections would be to get rid of the ridiculous winner take all redistricting process where the party in power rewrites all the congressional districts for the state. That's what we have here in Ohio, may be different in other states.
  9. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    They already have it and neither do I, but fingerprints are on everything we touch, just contract out the database, with no oversight.
  10. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

  11. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Avoid different state voter registration, ID flavors. Make it nonpartisan. Economies of scale, i.e. less expensive. Not all states make ID or supporting documents free. Voting is something all citizens regardless of state should have the same rights.

    As you stated: "but in general we think of ourselves as residents of the US first and residents of XYZ state way, way, way down near the bottom." http://androidforums.com/politics-current-affairs/181151-dumb-republicans-2.html#post4990602
  12. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    But they are free in current states. So I'm confused. Yes, you're going to pay to get a copy of a your birth certificate or social security card. That's the same everywhere. You're not going to pay for the actual voter ID. That's already the same everywhere. I'm not seeing the difference here other than this is the feds doing it instead of the states.
  13. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    So the ID is not free when one has to spend to directly or indirectly obtain said ID.

    This issue is better handled at the national level in a nonpartisan manner, as this is a national activity. The state level has demonstrated it is not handled in a nonpartisan manner.
  14. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Hence my confusion. You oppose state voter id laws. Ok. Fair enough. Apply the exact same law at the national level and all of a sudden you are in favor of it. I don't understand.
  15. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    I repeat myself because you still haven't explained why something is horrible when applied at the state level and good when it's the exact same thing applied at the national level. I don't get it. It's like saying eating fast food is bad for you personally, but if everyone in the country is eating fast food, then it's ok.
  16. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Start from the OP. Reading comprehension may improve with practice.
  17. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    Ok. Let's start at the beginning. You argue that state voter id laws are wrong because they disenfranchise voters. Ok. Fair enough argument. I can see where you are coming from. The exact same identical law applied to a national level does not disenfranchise people. Why not? Same ID requirements. Same regulations. But it's ok at the national level, but not the state level. Can you not see my confusion?
  18. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    See previous answer:
    http://androidforums.com/politics-c...s-hands-off-election-process.html#post4989110

    Keep focused on the title of the thread.

    Voter impersonation is a almost nonexistent and Voter ID is a waste of public resources, but since a huge segment of populace believes this BS as sold to them by the propaganda front ALEX, who is writing the current Voter ID laws, lets make Voter ID nonpartisan, efficient, uniform and fair at the national level. Voting is a national activity, therefor address national issues at the appropriate level. If Voter ID issue is implemented as part of the other suggestions by the author of the article, then the net cost would be negligible.

    Note: The ALEX voter scam laws, Voter ID is not free.
  19. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    So, not free at the state level is bad. Not free at the national level is good? Still not computing. Whatever. I'm clearly not going to understand your complex reasoning on this subject. Voting isn't a national activity either just for the record. It's very much a local thing. Only every 4 years do we vote for a national office.
  20. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    There are about 13,000 voting districts, with its own rules and regulations. Voting is a common activity we as Americans share. "Lets make Voter ID nonpartisan, efficient, uniform and fair at the national level. Voting is a national activity, therefor address national issues at the appropriate level."

    ALEX and Poll Tax are bad. Voting is good. Not having an individual mandate to pay to vote is also good.
  21. A.Nonymous

    A.Nonymous Well-Known Member

    A poll tax is already un-constitutional. Not sure why we need to pass another law legislating that. But whatever.
  22. copestag

    copestag Well-Known Member

    because if they can pass a new law forbidding poll taxes then they can frame it that they had to do it because republicans were trying to create poll taxes..... its all about optics.... they cant win on truth and facts.... so they have to create non-issues to rescue the people from

    reminds me of a local fireman years ago..... would go start fires in abandoned houses.... then goto the fire department and wait for the call to come in so he could be known as first to respond to fires
  23. Gmash

    Gmash Well-Known Member

    Truth and facts... The truth and facts are there is no problem with voter fraud in this country so all of these laws are a waste of time and money...unless there is some OTHER reason you want to make it more difficult for people to be able to vote. The whole thing would be a non-issue if republicans wouldn't have made it one.
  24. OutofDate1980

    OutofDate1980 Well-Known Member

    Gee, perhaps a Republican can give us a true reason. :D

    Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. - YouTube

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