HTC EVO 3D for Sprint will Arrive with Locked Bootloader
I'm thinking I dont know.
Edit:
Well that's over. Time to shut this thread down.
I'm thinking I dont know.
Edit:
Well that's over. Time to shut this thread down.
Maybe it's worded differently, but from what I read, it mentioned no encryption. If that's the case, almost every phone HTC has released has been with a locked boot loader, this is no exception.
There is a big difference between signed and encrypted, which apparently 99% of blogs don't seem to get.
Unless this is encrypted, it will and should be possible to crack it whenever a few resourceful devs get their hands on the device.
Maybe it's worded differently, but from what I read, it mentioned no encryption. If that's the case, almost every phone HTC has released has been with a locked boot loader, this is no exception.
There is a big difference between signed and encrypted, which apparently 99% of blogs don't seem to get.
Unless this is encrypted, it will and should be possible to crack it whenever a few resourceful devs get their hands on the device.
Edit: Nevermind, it does seem to be fully locked down:
Evo 3D CONFIRMED to be fully LOCKED DOWN - xda-developers
Very disappointing. I definitely won't be upgrading right away at least.
Ok, after a lot of digging, I think I'm able to clear things up.
HTC has indeed changed the way it locks down its phones (notice how I said 'phones' and not 'bootloader.'). Here are the differences, assuming I've understood everything I've found through pages and pages of various forums:
1) bootloader image was signed on the Evo 4G but was not encrypted. This is actually irrelevant because the original unlock was achieved by replacing the HBOOT image with a leaked HTC engineering image. So even if the Evo4G's HBOOT signature was encrypted, it wouldn't have mattered; the engineering HBOOT would be signed correctly anyway.
2) new HTC phones are cryptographically signing their images. That means you can't forge a signature without the encryption key. It's unlikely devs can brute-force this.
3) new HTC phones are now signing the /boot and /recovery images. These were never signed in the older HTC phones. Possibly /system requires a signature as well. What this means is: no custom kernel (which lives in /boot); no custom recovery (which lives in /recovery); and no custom ROM (which lives in /system).
4) Motorola did not protect/sign /recovery and /system, which meant you could still flash a custom recovery and a custom ROM without the bootloader throwing a fuss. But /boot is off limits, so any ROM for Motorola's locked-down phones will have to utilize the stock kernel.
5) So it's looking like the only way we are going to get 100% freedom is if the engineering bootloader gets leaked. I assume the Eng HBOOT will not enforce the signature of the various partitions: /boot /recovery /system, which will allow us to flash custom kernels, recoveries, and roms.
As for my OP, it would seem to be irrelevant at this point, given the new details that have emerged and assuming they are true. Unlocking this phone WILL be harder than it was with previous HTC phones. We may be at the mercy of a leak.
That said, rooting the phone in its literal meaning (granting superuser permission) should still be very doable. Most apps requiring a rooted phone will work.
I'm still debating whether or not I'll get it. If I can remove the bloatware and overclock it to 1.5ghz (if it's not already something changed by release) I most certainly will, since Sense--especially the new 3.0--has always been a good UI.
lets calm down... it might be.. the sky is falling...
remmeber the thunderbolt??
lets wait and see.. i have faith that it will be rooted.
I agree, Im not stressing over this, sky is definitely not falling. I think you're right that this device will be rooted. I still have intension's of getting the EVO 3D, and cant wait.
lets calm down... it might be.. the sky is falling...
remmeber the thunderbolt??
lets wait and see.. i have faith that it will be rooted.
I personally am not sure whether or not I will be getting this phone now. However, both HTC's facebook and twitter account have updated to say something along the lines of: "Thanks for the feedback. You guys seem mad. We'll think about stuff and get back to you." Super-paraphrased of course, but the point is that we may or may not have made a difference, and I for one would not be the lease upset if HTC/Sprint decided to delay this phone a bit to lessen the encryption/locking on this phone. Anyone with me?
To be honest, no. I don't think they would, but if they did, I, along with thousands of other users both here and on XDA would be very happy. Besides, they've delayed it THIS long. hahaDo you really think HTC/Sprint is going to delay a phone for a few thousand people who are upset? There are way more people without rooted EVOs than there are people with rooted EVOs. More EVOs for the rest of us who don't care.
Same here, I have no doubt that this phone will be fully rooted fairly quickly, but regardless I am getting the E3D as soon as its released.
Tell that to the Droid X owners. Unless HTC backpedals on their stance, or an engineering boot is leaked, there is little chance in hell of this phone being fully rooted, much less in a quick fashion.
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