Climate change ?

[Bob Maxey]

My poor ROI, have you never enjoyed the high cuisine of beef jerky ?

Bob loves all jerky, regardless of the beast. I was trying to find some Smurf meat, but it is not readily available.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I was born in india, what do you think?

That explains it. Not too many Indians eat beef, I suppose.

Bob loves curry in all forms.

I was trying to find some Smurf meat for curried Smurf and rice, but Smurf meat is not readily available.

Seriously River, are you familiar with "Thums Cola?" What a great drink and about a buck a bottle.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Bob loves all jerky, regardless of the beast. I was trying to find some Smurf meat, but it is not readily available.

There's always hope.

Growing meat in the lab: Scientists initiate action plan to advance cultured meat

 

[zuben el genub]

Zymoveal! Go read Asimov's Caves of Steel!

I see the article was dated 2007, but couldn't find the original which was the same type content and posted on Daily Rotation. It's the same situation today. The other thing - that was an Agribusiness journal, and agribusiness is killing the small farm. We've had hay shortages that had the same effect. I think damp weather for most of the summer killed the hay harvest.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Bottom line, I don't think that you have answered the question.

So I will state it again. Name one product that is currently being produced by oil that could not be produced from another renewable resource?

I know the answer, none. Every product we produce can be make from some renewable resource, but is made from oil because it is cheaper. The whole reason we are seeing a shift away from oil at this point, is because most of the industries that produce plastics from oil, produced it at $45 a barrel.

6,8-DIDEOXY-6-(1-METHYL-4-PROPYL-2-PYRROLIDINECARBOXAMIDO)-1-THIO-D-ERYTHRO-D-GALACTO-OCTAPYRANOSIDE a precursor required to catalyze, stabelize, and ferment DIISOBUTYLPHENOXYETHOXYETHYLDIMETHYLBENZYLAMMONIUMCHLORIDE, a major component in Keebler Cookies. It is oil based stuff that makes their delicious soft cookies, well, soft.

It is also used to make parts for the Prius, Dollar Store Shampoo, breast implants, hair for Clowns, and those little plastic things at the end of shoelaces. Also, oil is required to create slicks to to kill off those obnoxious birds and such. Santa uses it to clean the iPads he builds at the North Pole for delivery to all the good girls and boys.

Thousands of petrochemicals can only come from oil because of something we like to call chemistry.

 

[RiverOfIce]

6,8-DIDEOXY-6-(1-METHYL-4-PROPYL-2-PYRROLIDINECARBOXAMIDO)-1-THIO-D-ERYTHRO-D-GALACTO-OCTAPYRANOSIDE a precursor required to catalyze, stabelize, and ferment DIISOBUTYLPHENOXYETHOXYETHYLDIMETHYLBENZYLAMMONIUMCHLORIDE, a major component in Keebler Cookies. It is oil based stuff that makes their delicious soft cookies, well, soft.
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There are thousands of chemicals that make cookies soft. Benzethonium chloride is not one of them. Your chemical you sited would be harmful if they added it to cookies. It can be produce by a thousands ways, pretty much an waste product can product Benzethonium chloride. So once again, you are trying to distract away from the question. Lincomycin, hydrochloride hydrate can be produced by oil but does not have to be crude. It can be produce from natural plant oils too. Once again, you are trying to take a very complex names hoping no one looks it up. I happen to know a fair bit about chemicals. Could you please post one crude oil based product that can not be made from other renew resources. Here is a hint, EVERY chemical that can be produce from crude oil, can be produce from plant oil and/or other natural resources.

 

[Bob Maxey]

There are thousands of chemicals that make cookies soft. Benzethonium chloride is not one of them. Your chemical you sited would be harmful if they added it to cookies. It can be produce by a thousands ways, pretty much an waste product can product Benzethonium chloride. So once again, you are trying to distract away from the question. Lincomycin, hydrochloride hydrate can be produced by oil but does not have to be crude. It can be produce from natural plant oils too. Once again, you are trying to take a very complex names hoping no one looks it up. I happen to know a fair bit about chemicals. Could you please post one crude oil based product that can not be made from other renew resources. Here is a hint, EVERY chemical that can be produce from crude oil, can be produce from plant oil and/or other natural resources.

Smurfs derive their blueness from oil. No oil, you get purple smurfs.

If you knew anything at all about chemicals you would not be arguing in vain to make a point that us real chemical people know to be balderdash. Besides, I have a chemistry set (from Sears; Circa 1965,) so there. All you have is Wikepedia. Rolls eyes twice : :

 

[Bob Maxey]

There are thousands of chemicals that make cookies soft. Benzethonium chloride is not one of them. Your chemical you sited would be harmful if they added it to cookies. It can be produce by a thousands ways, pretty much an waste product can product Benzethonium chloride. So once again, you are trying to distract away from the question. Lincomycin, hydrochloride hydrate can be produced by oil but does not have to be crude. It can be produce from natural plant oils too. Once again, you are trying to take a very complex names hoping no one looks it up. I happen to know a fair bit about chemicals. Could you please post one crude oil based product that can not be made from other renew resources. Here is a hint, EVERY chemical that can be produce from crude oil, can be produce from plant oil and/or other natural resources.

And J.R. Ewing. Without oil, there would be no J.R. Ewing.

Copied from some web site somewhere while I was waiting for the oil to drain from my Nissan Leaf:

This is a list of some of the products made from oil. Nearly everything in our lives is made from oil, made by machinery and systems dependent on oil, and transported by oil as either gas or diesel fuel.

Ammonia, Anesthetics, Antihistamines, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Faucet Washers, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol, Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn.

And J.R. Ewing's Brother, too. No oil, no Ewings. They are oil men; who has ever taken an alcohol man seriously, right? Am I right? Perhaps no Dallas, either. Certainly none of those lovely well heads and derricks we see when we travel across vast fields in Texas; the ones you want to plant corn upon.

 

[RiverOfIce]

And J.R. Ewing. Without oil, there would be no J.R. Ewing.

Copied from some web site somewhere while I was waiting for the oil to drain from my Nissan Leaf:

This is a list of some of the products made from oil.

But it does not HAVE to be made from crude oil. It can be made from renewable resources. Including the oil for you car and the gas for your trucks.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Synthetic oils are recommended for new vehicles, i.e., transmission, engine, etc.

 

[Frisco]

Synthetic oils are recommended for new vehicles, i.e., transmission, engine, etc.

I used a synthetic in one of my vehicles for about three years until I found out it was derived from whale blubber. I'm ok with organic this and that (of course petroleum is just as organic as whale blubber, but it's ..er, evil or something)..

..anyway, I don't have any huge religion about whale hunting, many creatures are hunted and provide many things for humans. But for some reason I haven't pinned down yet, I found myself feeling like it was real oil that belongs in my engine and not whale blubber.

Perhaps other synthetics are being used now.. this was back in '90.

 

[zuben el genub]

There are now some engines that will run on discarded cooking oil from restaurants.
There's been talk of castor, jojoba, and a few others.
This one is interesting:
World?s First Molten Salt Solar Plant Produces Power at Night
Wonder if it's still working.

 

[RiverOfIce]

I used a synthetic in one of my vehicles for about three years until I found out it was derived from whale blubber. I'm ok with organic this and that (of course petroleum is just as organic as whale blubber, but it's ..er, evil or something)..

..anyway, I don't have any huge religion about whale hunting, many creatures are hunted and provide many things for humans. But for some reason I haven't pinned down yet, I found myself feeling like it was real oil that belongs in my engine and not whale blubber.

Perhaps other synthetics are being used now.. this was back in '90.

Could you provide a link. Because any oil that is derived from whale blubber would violate several international trade agreements. It would also be insanely expensive. Most of the synthetic oils are derived from alcohols.

 

[Frisco]

A link to what? lol.. I stopped using it years ago.. decades ago.

As I recall, it was Castrol brand synthetic. It sure was "insanely expensive," at a time when a quart of good Quaker State was about 88 cents, this stuff was 5 bux a can!

That was about 25 bux an oil change done at home, oil filters for that car only about $2.50 then.

"Synthetic has changed in recent years. A little history first....
In the days non synthetic oils were group 1 and group 2 base stocks. These are crude oils and polyphenins. Synthetic was as it was stated group 4 and group 5 base stocks which are PAO and POA esters (man made extreme quality esters which mimic esters once used from whale fat)."

What Are the Differences Between Synthetic and Non-Synthetic Motor Oil? | Questions and Answers for Autos, Auto Repair & Service

 

[Bob Maxey]

I used a synthetic in one of my vehicles for about three years until I found out it was derived from whale blubber. I'm ok with organic this and that (of course petroleum is just as organic as whale blubber, but it's ..er, evil or something)..

..anyway, I don't have any huge religion about whale hunting, many creatures are hunted and provide many things for humans. But for some reason I haven't pinned down yet, I found myself feeling like it was real oil that belongs in my engine and not whale blubber.

Perhaps other synthetics are being used now.. this was back in '90.

Whale blubber, really? What . . . did you forget the smiley? Ya gotts prove that one, Frisco. Bob seriously doubts you, Smiley. Not enough whales to support the need and then there are the laws that also make it impossible.

If it really were whale blubber, we would know.

Smiley

 

[OutofDate1980]

... "Synthetic has changed in recent years. A little history first....
In the days non synthetic oils were group 1 and group 2 base stocks. These are crude oils and polyphenins. Synthetic was as it was stated group 4 and group 5 base stocks which are PAO and POA esters (man made extreme quality esters which mimic esters once used from whale fat)."

What Are the Differences Between Synthetic and Non-Synthetic Motor Oil? | Questions and Answers for Autos, Auto Repair & Service

From my reading, believe nonmineral based oils are classified as Group IV or V.

Synthetic oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Synthetic Base Stocks

Synthetic motor oils are man made oils from the following classes of lubricants:

• Polyalphaolefin (PAO) = American Petroleum Institute (API) Group IV base oil
• Synthetic esters, etc. = API Group V base oils (non-PAO synthetics, including diesters, polyolesters, alklylated napthlenes, alkyklated benzenes, etc.)
• Hydrocracked/Hydroisomerized = API Group III base oils. Chevron, Shell, and other petrochemical companies developed processes involving catalytic conversion of feed stocks under pressure in the presence of hydrogen into high-quality mineral lubricating oil. In 2005, production of GTL (gas-to-liquid) Group III base stocks began, the best of which perform much like polyalphaolefin. Group III-base stocks are widely permitted to be marketed as synthetic motor oil with few exceptions where they are not allowed to be marketed as "synthetic" (for example, Germany)."

 

[Frisco]

You may have missed my post above yours, Bob.

This is another reference to whale derived auto lubricants:

"Sperm whale oil and its derivatives were used as additives in virtually all automotive lubricants. The products were so effective that vehicles’ fluids were generally never changed, and systems like the transmission lasted the life of the car."

International Lubricants Inc. (ILI) - Makers of LUBEGARD

They're all over the place (the references to whale oil uses).

So, anyway, I feel a lot better not having whale oil in my car. (smiley for Bob)

 

[Bob Maxey]

You may have missed my post above yours, Bob.

This is another reference to whale derived auto lubricants:

"Sperm whale oil and its derivatives were used as additives in virtually all automotive lubricants. The products were so effective that vehicles

 

[Frisco]

"..was derived from whale blubber.."

Perhaps "..once was derived from whale blubber.." would have been better wording.

The way I said it has turned out to be more fun though.

I feel better now, knowing that my car has no whale blubber in it... oh, I said that.. (nuther smiley)...

 

[Frisco]

lol.. more whale blubber oil stuff.. :


"...fill using GM Supercharger Oil. It's a special formulation just for this application, and not anything like motor oil or any other fluid in the car. You can either get the oil from the dealer, in which case you'll need 2 of their 4oz bottles or you can get it from Intense Racing (www.intense-racing.com) or ZZP (www.zzperformance.com). They sell it in 8 oz bottles, and you'll need one of those."

"Be aware that it smells to high heaven. It's made with whale blubber, and the stuff inside the S/C has been cooked, so it smells much worse..."

View topic - Supercharger Oil : PontiacBonnevilleClub.com

 

[OutofDate1980]

Not really. I read your post and you said you stopped using because you found out it was made from whale blubber. Just saying you likely did not unless you are 99 years old.

I know at one time lots of stuff came from whales. But that was a long time ago and no longer the case.

I remember 1972 like it was yesterday, but can't for the life of me remember what I had for breakfast. From Frisco's cited source. International Lubricants Inc. (ILI) - Makers of LUBEGARD

"In 1972, the Endangered Species Act outlawed the killing of whales and the use of materials derived from those animals."

 

[zuben el genub]

Watching a PBS special on Hummingbirds last night - some of the Rubythroats that normally migrate to Central America, are now wintering in Louisiana. There must be food for them. This is only recently.

 

[Frisco]

From Frisco's cited source. International Lubricants Inc. (ILI) - Makers of LUBEGARD

"In 1972, the Endangered Species Act outlawed the killing of whales and the use of materials derived from those animals."

'73?

Whenever, but now I'm really glad there's no whale blubber in my car.

 

[zuben el genub]

New post.
Long-lost Lake Agassiz offers clues to climate change

There were much larger lakes. Bonneville was one.

 

[andruoid]

Ah listen to us humans trying to describe what is happening to the planet. Animals have better instinct than our technobable. I want an iAnimaldroid.

We haven't been recording temps that long to really know what frequency the planet changes. We have to start somewhere so this data we currently have is very much the beginning.

It's great to be clean and green regardless, who wants a messy room? However, the 'scare' tactics are just from people who have created their own employment and are now getting funded for a lot of these so-called 'studies'. Money could be better spent.

Explain the ice caps (besides the Tim Horton's variant) someone says ...well I can't. But I have a simple analogy; Take an ice cube out of the freezer, at first it holds it's form, after a while as it loses it's integrity is melts faster. Earth is going through a cycle, just as it's always done.

Continental drift, volcanoes, hurricanes, etc. etc. have much more of an impact on the planet than we create.