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Yeah it is it makes YouTube play in hq I think.. I got it yesterday and I noticed hq button on YouTube after it updated
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Well you can't expect HTC to give you an OFFICIAL date of when they'll have the OTA for FroYo with Sense for the Desire or any of their other phones for that matter, when they did NOT even have Froyo until yesterday. They were in the SAME boat as all of us; i.e. waiting for Google to release the codes for Froyo. Google announced Froyo during the I/O conference and said that they will have it done in a few weeks. Well it seems they stuck to their words and release the codes in a few weeks.
Their 'soon' to me is just a marketing ploy to soothe the Desire customers that want FroYo NOW.
I'm not sure how much of an Android fan you are, but if you look at all of the past updates from HTC for its other phones you can expect that the update won't be rolling out in just a matter of weeks. The Eris didn't get its update to 2.1 for almost 4 months from HTC. The Hero just got its 2.1 update a couple of weeks ago. You see when I'm going with this right?
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1.6 - 2.1 is a huge improvement over 2.1-2.2...
So it "should" be easier/fastr to implement Sense into it...
And about the iOS/iPhone vs Android being mentioned:
Apple makes 1 phone and 1 OS... Google makes the OS, other manufacturers make the Android phones...
iOS needs to be compatible with 3 phones (since it works on 3G/3GS although only partial), Android needs to work on dozens of phones with all different (unknown to Google) hardware...
So it "should" be easier/fastr to implement Sense into it...
And about the iOS/iPhone vs Android being mentioned:
Apple makes 1 phone and 1 OS... Google makes the OS, other manufacturers make the Android phones...
iOS needs to be compatible with 3 phones (since it works on 3G/3GS although only partial), Android needs to work on dozens of phones with all different (unknown to Google) hardware...
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Yeah this is my first Android. I guess its reading to much rumours on the internet because I've seen various threads saying it should have been out yesterday some saying 2 weeks. And yes I do understand where your going with this so when would you suggest it could be out.
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I was only joking pal.
I dont think you understand the concept of how it works to be honest.
You do know that Google and Android are a completely separate company from HTC. HTC are essentially a customer of Googles.
Google said their Android Froyo "product" will be out soon... Turns out soon was a month (ish) and today they are rolling it out to their products (Nexus one)
HTC aquired the product YESTERDAY, it will have gone straight to the developers, probably people well up the ladder at HTC who will be disecting something that is essentially very complicated so they can make it work with their hardware (Desire/Legend etc) and their software (Sense).
A head developer might turn round tomorrow and say. "Piece of piss this, I'll have it working in 7 days", then they can look at releasing it with all the logistics that goes with that.
So how can HTC set a release date when they've had 1 day to work with the code, and why would they even think about discussing it with a member of staff whos job it is to deal with mithering impatient customers?
Im sorry mate but your getting worked up over something thats unrealistic.
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You know HTC have gotten a lot of unfavourable comparisons with Apple in this thread and others.
But whatever their faults, maybe we should just take a minute to remind ourselves that they have never released a phone that actually stops working when you hold it in your hand...
Some iPhone 4 models dropping calls when held left-handed, including ours (video) -- Engadget
But whatever their faults, maybe we should just take a minute to remind ourselves that they have never released a phone that actually stops working when you hold it in your hand...
Some iPhone 4 models dropping calls when held left-handed, including ours (video) -- Engadget
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I think it's a bit naive to think that HTC seen Froyo for the first time yesterday. I bet they will have been working closely with Google and have had all the internal builds. Also, considering the Nexus One and Desire are similar hardware I don't see two weeks or even launched side by side as unrealistic. Not that I'm saying I think it will any time be soon.
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You may very well be right bud but we will never know this.. If its true then here's hoping for an early release if not then you can understand a delay.
I will definately be miffed if we get as far as September and its not released and will make me think twice for future purchases, however I love my desire and im not going to have a breakdown if it doesnt come before the end of July.
Some people are too impatient.. and probably be the first ones to complain if they find bugs in early releases..
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Funny story. First time I picked up a call on my Desire. I swiped the phone to activate it and put it to my ear. When I realised that I couldn't hear anything I looked at it and realised that it was rebooting.
Bizarrely, it's never done it since.
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It's obvious that HTC will have got Sense working on 2.2 and will no doubt release a new handset very soon with 2.2 on it.
Sense works on 2.1, but Hero owners are still waiting (and that was the flagship phone last year).
I don't buy the argument that it is SO complicated to recompile Sense UI over a new Android OS. Sure, it can't be done in 48 hours or anything, but I feel HTC has repeatedly been vague, in order to let a product be replaced by a new model - and get people to upgrade device, not upgrade firmware.
Am I cynical? Probably. But, with good cause given the Hero and Tattoo and many Windows Mobile models going back much further.
HTC is a business and they never promise to upgrade the OS for free, or at all.
I do think that going forward, Google will need to try and work out a system that allows every device to be upgraded at pretty much the same time, as you'd expect to be able to upgrade to Windows 7 on a PC - not at different times depending on who made the device.
That won't be easy, but it must be a goal to try and reach. Apple has got it sewn up on the OS upgrade front, with the clever way of restricting certain features on old/legacy models - which still makes a lot of people want to upgrade, but because they want new features - not because they feel a manufacturer let them down with lack of support.
Sense works on 2.1, but Hero owners are still waiting (and that was the flagship phone last year).
I don't buy the argument that it is SO complicated to recompile Sense UI over a new Android OS. Sure, it can't be done in 48 hours or anything, but I feel HTC has repeatedly been vague, in order to let a product be replaced by a new model - and get people to upgrade device, not upgrade firmware.
Am I cynical? Probably. But, with good cause given the Hero and Tattoo and many Windows Mobile models going back much further.
HTC is a business and they never promise to upgrade the OS for free, or at all.
I do think that going forward, Google will need to try and work out a system that allows every device to be upgraded at pretty much the same time, as you'd expect to be able to upgrade to Windows 7 on a PC - not at different times depending on who made the device.
That won't be easy, but it must be a goal to try and reach. Apple has got it sewn up on the OS upgrade front, with the clever way of restricting certain features on old/legacy models - which still makes a lot of people want to upgrade, but because they want new features - not because they feel a manufacturer let them down with lack of support.
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So much vitriol for HTC here... OK They would've got the Beta builds ages ago, probably about the same time or earlier than the ROM community. Now they had to make Sense work with it but remember those Froyo builds were release CANDIDATES. Whats this mean? It was still in Beta for all intents and purposes. When the full Froyo got released yesterday, HTC would've had to grab the finished release version and QA it to make sure nothing is broken/buggy. Now after this, or during this they have to make it work with the different resolution, specs and hardware that they've made so far.
Stop whingeing and it will be rolled out soon.
Stop whingeing and it will be rolled out soon.
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C'mon people....of course he IS right. HTC build the Nexus for google...do you really think some HTC employee just downloaded yesterday the official sources from the official site??? This is not naivety...
True. Add to that the fact that Desire is almost identical to Nexus (hardware wise) and HTC has no reason to postpone the upgrade for Desire other than:jonmorris said:
jonmorris said:
This is true for all manufacturers.
I bet on late September (or later).
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Ah, OK cheers. So the likelihood is that it was in development for Nexus first? Just a guess.
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The problem is hardware support. PC hardware is highly standardised (which is one of the reaons the kit looks almost identical no matter where you buy it from). The cases, mobos, grapics card buses, PCI buses... etc these are all standardised. You can update the individual drivers for the components - it's also true that MS has got better at shipping with enough generics to get the kit up and running - which means that unless the mobile industry grasps that level of standardisation it's not going to be easy. Maybe if the various companies at least used the same software drivers we would be getting somewhere.
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Htc have said Q3 but they neglected to mention which year. On past record Q3 2011 would be no surprise to me.
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I admire the confidence here that HTC will upgrade a phone in such a short time, and on time.
Meanwhile, Motorola has officially stated that the Droid (and hopefully the Milestone) will get 2.2 updates NEXT month. They didn't give a date, so it may well be end of July, or even slip a week or two after that - but they've at least confirmed it and even made a point of saying that this will add Flash support to the phone.
Motorola has also issued two updates for my Milestone (2.0.1 with a brand new camera interface) and then 2.1. So, I have more faith in them than HTC - and yet Motorola is being slagged off all over for not supporting their devices.
I hope HTC isn't being worshipped like Apple - and people are willing to defend their actions. The 'evidence' is on how they've supported older phones, from the Hero and Tattoo and further back - in the WinMo days.
I'd far rather HTC just said something like Nokia, in that the phone is as it ships and that's it. Maybe some bug fixes and the odd new app, but no actual OS update. How many Symbian phones ever got updates to the next version?
To be fair, I don't think HTC is making any firm promises - and are finding that letting any employee get access to the likes of Twitter can be very damaging. People are just overly hopeful.
I wouldn't be surprised to see HTC releasing the Incredible in Europe, with 2.2, and still not roll out 2.2 to the Desire/Legend for some considerable time afterwards.
Meanwhile, Motorola has officially stated that the Droid (and hopefully the Milestone) will get 2.2 updates NEXT month. They didn't give a date, so it may well be end of July, or even slip a week or two after that - but they've at least confirmed it and even made a point of saying that this will add Flash support to the phone.
Motorola has also issued two updates for my Milestone (2.0.1 with a brand new camera interface) and then 2.1. So, I have more faith in them than HTC - and yet Motorola is being slagged off all over for not supporting their devices.
I hope HTC isn't being worshipped like Apple - and people are willing to defend their actions. The 'evidence' is on how they've supported older phones, from the Hero and Tattoo and further back - in the WinMo days.
I'd far rather HTC just said something like Nokia, in that the phone is as it ships and that's it. Maybe some bug fixes and the odd new app, but no actual OS update. How many Symbian phones ever got updates to the next version?
To be fair, I don't think HTC is making any firm promises - and are finding that letting any employee get access to the likes of Twitter can be very damaging. People are just overly hopeful.
I wouldn't be surprised to see HTC releasing the Incredible in Europe, with 2.2, and still not roll out 2.2 to the Desire/Legend for some considerable time afterwards.
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Sure 2.2 is going to update Android to have some pretty basic and necessary features but it's hardly going to turn the Desire from a piece of rubbish into the best thing since sliced bread. It's already an excellent and very capable phone.
I understand there are some basic features which are missing from 2.1 but people should have researched these and realised this when they got the phone. I know people want the latest coolest stuff, but a bit of perspective is required.
I understand there are some basic features which are missing from 2.1 but people should have researched these and realised this when they got the phone. I know people want the latest coolest stuff, but a bit of perspective is required.
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You are correct. If people don't expect an update, then they can't get disappointed.
This is why it's dangerous to have someone that seemingly represents HTC suggesting or hinting things even if it isn't actually true. It spreads like wildfire and everyone is then convinced they'll get an update - such as people thinking they'd have got 2.2 on their Desire two days ago.
Most people who have bought a Desire will love it (it IS a great phone) and probably don't even know about 2.1 or 2.2 or even what version of the OS they have - and they certainly don't expect an upgrade (besides ROM updates to fix other issues). Android is going mainstream, where people don't care less. They care far more about stability and ease of use. HTC do issue ROM updates to fix problems that affect any given device.
Now 2.2 has got a lot of improvements that will actually prove very popular with Joe Public, so it would be good for everyone concerned (especially Google) for it to be rolled out to any device that can physically run it.
This is why it's dangerous to have someone that seemingly represents HTC suggesting or hinting things even if it isn't actually true. It spreads like wildfire and everyone is then convinced they'll get an update - such as people thinking they'd have got 2.2 on their Desire two days ago.
Most people who have bought a Desire will love it (it IS a great phone) and probably don't even know about 2.1 or 2.2 or even what version of the OS they have - and they certainly don't expect an upgrade (besides ROM updates to fix other issues). Android is going mainstream, where people don't care less. They care far more about stability and ease of use. HTC do issue ROM updates to fix problems that affect any given device.
Now 2.2 has got a lot of improvements that will actually prove very popular with Joe Public, so it would be good for everyone concerned (especially Google) for it to be rolled out to any device that can physically run it.
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Yes, although we're a way off from when you go to PC World/Best Buy or whatever and buy a new OS off the shelf to install on your mini computer (phone).
There is still a difference, but it's gradually getting less so as the years go on.
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Hey guys a new user and more so the new owner of an android htc desire... i actually dont have it yet. And though i have heard of all the problems (which im aware there are alot of) as my first ever smart phone and android im looking forward to it. However there are big problems with android.
The Biggest problem that google has inn-countered is they have made a lovely OS, open for anyone to use like Linux, but in terms of updates its all over the place. Companies have bastardised UI's to fit there own scheme.
Now this is the biggest problem which will hit any android phone. because in terms of updates its all over the place. No ones going to get the same, or similar sort of features though using android... and it's up to the developer to then take what the new OS has delivered and chop it up to suite them. Iphone works because it deliveries a singular product which all users get the benefit's.
Google know this, and there trying to do something about it... Android 3.. aka Gingerbread will bring all these annoyance's that we are currently dispaying ... (waiting for updates) to an end.
Android 3.0 Gingerbread ? features we want | Fonehome.co.uk
Android 3.0 details and features revealed | Fonehome.co.uk
it's up to the developers if they take it on or not... honestly i think it would be in their interests to do so.
The Biggest problem that google has inn-countered is they have made a lovely OS, open for anyone to use like Linux, but in terms of updates its all over the place. Companies have bastardised UI's to fit there own scheme.
Now this is the biggest problem which will hit any android phone. because in terms of updates its all over the place. No ones going to get the same, or similar sort of features though using android... and it's up to the developer to then take what the new OS has delivered and chop it up to suite them. Iphone works because it deliveries a singular product which all users get the benefit's.
Google know this, and there trying to do something about it... Android 3.. aka Gingerbread will bring all these annoyance's that we are currently dispaying ... (waiting for updates) to an end.
Android 3.0 Gingerbread ? features we want | Fonehome.co.uk
Android 3.0 details and features revealed | Fonehome.co.uk
it's up to the developers if they take it on or not... honestly i think it would be in their interests to do so.
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