Can you see the difference from the FPS fix?

EasyEEE said:

If you haven't performed the OTA... scroll thru your pictures before update... update, then scroll your pictures again. You can see the difference.

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That's what I did too! Anyways, wondering if you saw the same thing I did. After the update, if I flicked to scroll anywhere, it would be smooth. However, if I touched the screen and scrolled (either fast or slow) without lifting my finger, the scrolling would be choppy like it was pre-update.

This gives a weird effect when browsing because it would be smooth until I start reading something because that's when I'd want to carefully control the scrolling.

touch screen is more responsive/ sensitive.. try bringing down the notification bar.. its smooth as silk..

yeah i can notice it. probably wouldn't if i wasn't looking for it.

i'm rooted and have been since june. the first time i installed a rom i also installed a kernel to unlock the fps. i noticed a little, but my phone ran like crap. this may have been the rom i don't know. since then i have only used fresh rom and left the kernals stock.

this is my first smart phone and probably the only one that fps would matter on. so i don't have much to compare it to. so yeah i barely notice.

i'm wondering about most of the people here who say its a big difference, did you come from previous phone with 60 fps?

Drew5150 said:

i'm wondering about most of the people here who say its a big difference, did you come from previous phone with 60 fps?

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I had no expectations. the Evo was my first smartphone and I think it was perfectly fine stock. Then I played with my wife's iphone, and that's when I realized something was very different. I concluded then that Android was just not as polished as iOS.

Later, when I got the FPS fix through a custom kernel, my Evo did feel polished. It was night and day to me, especially the touch sensitivity boost. Those early days, I was flashing all sorts of stuff, so the FPS fix would come and go. I simply could not go back to capped. It bothered me a lot.

I'm pretty sure some people aren't as sensitive to stuff like this, which is exactly why I wanted to run a poll.

That is the first thing I noticed before even reading about the update. HUGE difference - not even close - it's like iphone smooth. Awesome -good job htc - phone should have been released like that.

Absolutely! Best thing thats happened to my phone since I purchased it!

OK, yesterday's OTA just uncapped the frame rate. I get 53 on stock ROM every time I try fps2d. HTC did listen and respond. That's pretty nice in a phone manufacturer.

It was the one thing that bothered me about this phone after being used to browsing on an ipod touch. Now it's smooth as glass and I even feel like the animations between screens are more noticeable.

what does the other number mean on the fps2d app? the stdev or whatever it is? i get numbers between 7.5 and 9. is it the higher the better, or the lower the better? thanks!

Faster and smother. My internet browing is faster now, average 2.2mbps with 3g and stock browser. My home verizon DSL is slower than this. Hmmmm

mcbtrain929 said:

what does the other number mean on the fps2d app? the stdev or whatever it is? i get numbers between 7.5 and 9. is it the higher the better, or the lower the better? thanks!

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Stdev is the Standard Deviation. I just copied from wikipedia to save time:
"It shows how much variation there is from the "average" (mean, or expected/budgeted value). A low standard deviation indicates that the data points tend to be very close to the mean, whereas high standard deviation indicates that the data is spread out over a large range of values."

Quick Question:

Will the FPS Fix, Fix the way the Phone used to "Studder" while taking Video from the Camcorder App running @ 720p MPEG4 Settings?

I Switched to the h.264 settings because of this and I would like to start using the 720p Setting again assuming I wont be getting Lag while recording anymore.

Psywar said:

Will the FPS Fix, Fix the way the Phone used to "Studder" while taking Video from the Camcorder App running @ 720p MPEG4 Settings?

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probably not. the stutter you saw previously is more than likely a processing limitation of the phone.


Lower stdev numbers are better. It means your framerate is held fairly constant, which means your eyes won't notice as much variation (choppiness, stuttering). Unfortunately, HTC's fix doesn't really address consistency. The framerate is all over the place. Most custom kernels/roms show stdev under 3 now, making for a very smooth-running phone.

Thats a bit over my head lol! I assume your saying I should look in to a custom kernel to find a smoother capture on the phone?

Psywar said:

Thats a bit over my head lol! I assume your saying I should look in to a custom kernel to find a smoother capture on the phone?

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It means there's more goodies in a custom kernel that improve the performance of your phone. The FPS uncap is only one out of many improvements available.

Take a look at these benchmarks comparing several of the kernels available. Note the table showing FPS2D Deviation. Any stdev under 4 looks damn good to me, which, as you can see, is pretty much all of the kernels. So you can't really go wrong if that's what matters to you. I tend to care more about the "Screen Off, Minimum Frequency Power Draw" at the bottom of the page.

http://home.comcast.net/~ttechnology/benches.html

Thank you for that!

Looks like I am going to be reseting up my phone again here in a few weeks lol!

I have seen a marked improvement in overall scrolling, swyping/SlideIting, slideshows etc. While it's hard for me to see a remarkable, discernible difference in video playback (not saying the FPS aren't increased) but I notice more that the overall performance of graphics related tasks are much smoother. That's where I see an improvement.

MatzPhone said:

I have seen a marked improvement in overall scrolling, swyping/SlideIting, slideshows etc. While it's hard for me to see a remarkable, discernible difference in video playback (not saying the FPS aren't increased) but I notice more that the overall performance of graphics related tasks are much smoother. That's where I see an improvement.

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You're not going to see any difference at all, in fact, in raw video playback. That's where HTC tried to make their defence about this whole debacle before hand. Yes, all VIDEO playback is 24-30 fps. Ask anybody who plays their games on a PC, there are MAJOR differences from 30 - 60 fps. I can vouch for that. Back onto the subject though. Video playback may not be affected by the FPS boost, sure, I'll give HTC that much. However, everything else, and I quite literally do mean everything, is affected by being capped at 30 fps. It looks choppy, it stutters, and it makes you want to put the phone down right where you found it. They can sit there all day claiming it's perfect because videos playback at 24-30 fps, but I don't turn my phone on to watch videos until the battery dies. I generally intend to use it. If it's laggy, can't keep up with me, and stumbles through every task I throw at it, how exactly is that perfect?

To those people not being able to see ANY difference after the update, tell me, what phone did you have before this? If you had a flip phone, or some cheap free-with-contract texter, I can give you credibility, because you don't know what to look for. Anything you did on the Evo looked SUPER smooth compared to before. Go pick up an iPhone or even a palm pre. It can, and will put the Evo to total shame in graphical performance. I know, i know, go ahead and state how much faster the Evo actually is... i know this. But, before the update, it looked like crap while it was going so fast. Imagine a drunk race car driver sitting in a formula one car racing a sober driver in a BMW standard luxury car. That's essentially how it panned out in my eyes, before the update/rooting.

I notice a huge difference, home screen is DEFINITELY more fluid, and sharper when sliding. Scrolling is much improved, but now I am having problems with certain websites when I enlarge and try to scroll the page.

My 3G is faster (haven't checked out 4G yet), my bluetooth and Google Voice actually seem to be working better.

I haven't been on the forum in a while. I'm just now reading about this update... where do I go to get it? I've tried all the different updates and none of them are giving me anything.

Well actually, every time I choose "Update PRL", it says there is one. Won't the phone just grab every update, or am I backed up and I have to do it like ten times?

Oh, but seriously, where do I get the FPS cap update?


Nevermind, it decided to work now. I'm still wondering about the PRL thing, though.

I wouldnt call it a "night and day" difference, but I can for sure notice the faster frame rate just going from the dialer back out to the home screen, much smoother. I like it.

Just installed the update last night and wow HUGE difference, screens move smooth as can be and the screen even looks more bright and sharper.

Finally got the update last night after checking numerous times. Everything is so much smoother. Scrolling, pinch to zoom, and games. Didn't notice a difference as far as video playback. This is unrelated to the topic, but I have also noticed a huge increase in battery life. Don't know what they did, but my Evo has been unplugged for 10 hours and I still have 62% battery left, that's with medium usage.

I signed up for free AF wifi in Afghanistan just so I can download the update. Ummm, there is a HUGE difference with my EVO. I would know because I have had my EVO since launch day and I haven't utilized my EVO for 3 weeks because I'm in Afghanistan. The wifi company only uses PPOE so I can only use my laptop with that wifi source. I have to walk down the street to get the free wifi so I can login utilizing my EVO. I got the update today and I'm 100% HAPPY!

I played with a Motorola Droid for the first time ever yesterday. Wow it was choppy. I couldn't tell if it was choppy due to lack of CPU, or what. But I can see how someone could find the stock Evo smooth if they came from that phone.