Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by ctxx24, Oct 7, 2010.
THey can kiss my ass for taking away fox sports...sorry back to your regularly scheduled X talk...
Go complain here. Many folks to comiserate with.
Dish Network was only one party to the problem. Fox raised their rates... substantially from what I hear. Charlie Ergen, being Charlie Ergen, refused to pay the higher rates out of his pocket and was unwilling to pass along the rate increase to his customers. Ergo... Fox channels went away.
Given that some of us really don't want to pay more for Dish Network I've got no issue with what Charlie did. On the other hand, Fox can kiss my grits!!
Too bad they didn't dump Faux News too.
They will on October 31st if they don't get an agreement inked out. As well as local fox channels and any fox channels left I believe.
I would be HIGHLY upset if I was on Dish.
Current Reason : No Prime Ticket. Prime ticket carries Laker games that are not broadcast on our local affiliate, ESPN, or major network. As it stands now on FIOS, I get all of those channels so I can catch EVERY Laker game without subscribing ($180 early bird special) to NBA League Pass.
Future Reason : (if they don't get this ironed out by Nov 1) - No Fox network. That means no family guy, Simpsons, etc.
Truth be told, I can see why Dish would not want to pay more. DirectTV, Verizon Fios, and Cable Cos all offer more to the viewer, but at a higher price. The main thing Dish currently competes on is lowest price. But alienating a rabid sports fan base in the US will not help them in the long run...
New York area cable vision blocked foz this past weekend.. the Giant Fas were in a uproar
I heard about that! Score another direct hit against broadcasters and the TV watching public by Fox,,,
Consumers are held hostage in fight between Fox and Cablevision - latimes.com
To add to the dilemma for both Dish and Cablevision, if they loose the main Fox channel, they will loose the WORLD SERIES. Now I am not a big baseball fan, but the outrage would be insane and likely targeted at the carriers rather than Fox itself (because most people don't know what is going on, and all they know is their carrier doesn't have it, while x carrier does.) I'm not sure on Cablevision, but Dish is slated to loose Fox completely on November first if a deal is not reached.
Post Tech - Fox says no deal with Cablevision; analysts look to World Series as next flashpoint
I have no idea what's going on? What kind of deal does Fox want from the cable providers?
Though I don't know if this is even close to accurate, another Washington Post article that was linked in the article provided by dmodert66 states that Fox wants 150 million dollars per year which is double what Cablevision is currently paying:
Post Tech - Fox-Cablevision fees spat leaves NY, NJ viewers in dark through weekend
The article also indicates that Fox is currently unwilling to arbitrate...
I would like to know Fox's reasoning for that. Paying double suddenly, especially on an amount that massive is absurd to me. It's like Verizon suddenly forcing its customers to pay $60 unlimited.
Somehow I doubt Fox would ever release that kind of data to the media. My best guess at why they want double their programming fee's is probably because they believe viewership of their programming has increased significantly and they want to be compensated for it. And with hit shows like Sons of Anarchy, Nip/Tuck, and highly popular sporting events on the Fox channels, they likely believe that they are entitled to greater compensation for providing these programs to the viewing public
I can see both sides to this coin.....
everyone is quick to condemn fox because they dont get to watch their favorite sports team etc because they assume fox is just being greedy...... nobody takes the time to realize that the MLB/NFL/NBA/whoever doesnt just allow fox to broadcast this for free..... fox has to pay for the rights to broadcast..... do you think those fees have decreased or increased for fox?..... I guess its their responsibility to eat those costs to bring you the programming you enjoy?.... people seem to believe they have some Right to this broadcasting......
on the other hand....
it seems to me that there should be something in these contracts when a station buys the rights to air things like the World Series etc that outlines they cannot hold that event hostage to increase rates...... Im sure MLB doesnt appreciate that certain groups will not be able to give them the ratings they were hoping for.....
in the end its detrimental to all involved..... fox viewership will decrease because viewers dont have access........ cable/dish/whoever will lose business because people will migrate to where they can get the channels they want..... sports etc will lose viewers and ultimately a little interest (fewer fans means less tickets and merchandising)....... and the public will lose because they will either miss the programming they want or they will pay more $$ to get it
I read where many in congress were up in arms about it as well... I would expect to see a $Trillion bailout coming soon for the broadcast industry
I was listening to a news item regarding this.
It comes down to this.
Networks like Fox generally have VERY low fees (compared to cable channels) to provide their contents to cable providers.
Originally network channels were supported by advertising and cable channels were supported by Cable provider fees.
However, Cable channels are currently reaping both advertising and high fees, while network channels are drawing more viewers than cable channels (in general).
Fox just wants what it feels is it's fair piece of the pie.
note: this is my understanding and my be flawed
Resolved! All Fox channels are back and working!
Awesome! Looking forward to watching Sons of Anarchy next week...
The Jets vs Packers game was on FOX in NYC this weekend, they better have fixed it. would have been a riot
Dish = Fixed
Cablevision = Not so much...
And now Fox is throwing in Cablevision's face that they just did a deal with Dish, so why are Cablevision being so unreasonable...lol