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  1. nickdalzell

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    i still think it won't be long until laptops and full-blown desktops become replaced with tablet hybrids and all-in-ones.

    It's a shame to see Microsoft catering to the luddites. makes me cringe when those afraid of anything new make the rest of us suffer. i really wanted to see the start menu finally die off. so inefficient. and then the holdouts from the Windows 95 days had to cry like babies until someone listened..

    If corporations start listening to technophobes afraid of changes, we will soon see the loss of SD card slots, high-PPI touchscreens, and the return of throwbacks to the late 1990s. time to move on!
     

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    And for the cutting-edge Luddite, there's All-in-One PCS with Windows 7.

    ..but I do agree that desktops are doomed, just because AIOs are cheaper to mass-produce.
     
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    Well, if you're going to get technical, 95 OSR2 should have been included, too. ;) Though called a service release, it was a huge leap forward for the Redmond folks and should have been called Win97, except that they were busy putting the final touches on Win98 and didn't want that kind of comparison.

    Of all of the consumer operating systems Microsoft ever released, though, I think that ME was the dog meat worst. And that was just the raw OS; God help you if you bought a bloat-laden HP or Dell. Yeeesh. I'd take Dos 2.1 over that. :D

    And I say that after having owned a laptop with Vista. In fact, I'm typing on it right now, though it's now running Win7. ;)
     
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    "Windows for Workgroups" and some of the XP service packs should also be included, too. ;) Of course, the point was inconsistent naming for consecutive releases.

    Agreed that ME was the Star Trek V of operating systems. I never had much of a problem with Vista from a user standpoint, but then I didn't try and run it on low end hardware, either.

    God bless 'em, but I don't see them taking the world by storm ... or even light drizzle. ;)
     
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    Yeh...got bless 'em. :D
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    It's showing the folks staying in touch at home. Which is what my father does with me of course. He's not using a Windows PC, basically he got fed up paying
     
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    Oh, I don't doubt it's utility, just it's marketability. Many a good idea has found the general consumer to be non-receptive.
     
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    Basically it's for the same market as the Chromebook. Lightweight non-demanding home use, just needs a browser and an internet connection really, and maybe a few "apps". Not doing any serious PhotoShop or anything like that. Most people in this country don't have PCs anyway, Android tablets and smart-phones are extremely popular of course, as are Android smart-TVs and STBs. The green robot shall inherit the middle kingdom. :D
     
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    Don't think there was anything inherently wrong with Vista itself. It was Microsoft telling manufacturers they could no longer supply XP, and so manufacturers were forced to put Vista onto their "Designed for XP" machines, and it didn't run very well on these of course. Things like Pentium III and 4 with low RAM and basic Intel graphics, which just choked on Aero Glass.

    At my office last year, under the desk there was an ancient Great Wall P4, 512MB RAM, Intel graphics, school PC, which ran XP Pro. And there was no way it could run Vista, 7, 8, 8.1. etc. satisfactorily. It stated on the front "Designed for Windows XP".
     
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    Vista worked well enough, but took half an hour to boot up. I'm just not comfortable with the idea of leaving my computer on 24/7 like some do these days. It is just one of those holdovers from DOS machines, rule was never leave it powered on, always shut it down, remove the disk when done.
     
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    Microsoft confirms Windows 9 event for September 30, Technical Preview to follow soon after

    Windows Threshold (we don’t actually know if it’ll be called “9″ yet) seems to be mostly oriented towards appeasing Microsoft’s massive base of conventional mouse-and-keyboard PC users. On the Desktop side of things, the Start menu is returning, the Charms bar is being removed, Metro apps can now be run in a window, and virtual desktops will make their long overdue debut.
     
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    It often took a while to load anything as well, especially when the "Designed for Windows XP", forced to install Vista, often budget computer wasn't really up to it, e.g. low RAM and/or modest CPU. Where previously the same software was good and responsive with XP. Not to mention the HDD thrashing as well, usually because of inadequate RAM, but OK for XP.

    Modern PCs can start Windows and load software very quickly, especially if they have an SSD and enough RAM. There's really no reason to be waiting 30 minutes. You can run 8.1 on the same sort PC that would run Vista Ok, Core2Duo, 2GB RAM etc. 1GB you might be pushing things, and can expect a lot of swap file activity, e.g. HDD thrashing.

    XP in 2001, was originally designed for a Pentium 3 with 64MB, that was the minimum, although 128MB or more was preferable.
     
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    And people still tried to load it on a 486 with 32MB and blamed MS that it was a bloated piece of cr@p. Nothing ever changes. ;)
     
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    The work phone (Lumia 920) updated to Windows 8.1 last week.

    I'm very impressed. They fixed everything that bothered me.

    And tonight I started "swyping" on it without thinking about...and then realized it has Swype now, too!! Yes! Awesome!

    The battery life is still nothing to write home about, though. ;)
     
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    I did that one just to see if I could. It sucked.
     
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    I don't think any battery on any phone has been a wow factor. Every phone has "All day battery". That's getting old. I want something that can have all week battery. Don't worry about charging, or a Magnetic Field Charging. Wireless charging and batteries aren't there yet.
     
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    Actually this was a new eMachines that was preloaded with Vista. It simply churned it's hard disk for about half an hour, and it made the UI completely unresponsive until it 'turned me loose'.

    But afterwards, it ran fine and smooth. But that would only work if I wanted the machine on 24/7.
     
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    I used to have a phone with an "all week battery", a Nokia 3310, it could make phone calls, it could send messages, and it could play Snake.
     
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    For those who care about Windows 9, here's a bit of a teaser, but it's got some actual information in it as well as the review of the new start button/menu.

    A sneak peek at the Windows 9 Start Menu - TechRepublic

    Where I work is a M$ select shop, so as soon as it's available I can download it. I don't know that I will, though I think the PC I'm on has enough HP to load it as a VM, so I might do that.
     
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    Within that, Microsoft to deliver Windows 'Threshold' tech preview around late September

    I had heard previously from my contacts that Microsoft was aiming to deliver a public preview of Threshold available to anyone interested toward the end of calendar 2014. I'm not sure if there's still a plan to make a public consumer preview available at that time or if this "technical preview" is the only "preview" Microsoft will release before Threshold is released to manufacturing.
     
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    More non-news:

    Microsoft offers first look at new Windows - and gives it a name

    The project, known for the past few years as "Threshold" inside the software company and "Windows 9" outside it, will likely get an entirely new brand, or just be called Windows, analysts said, ahead of its full release early next year.

    The name change is symbolic of a new direction and style for Microsoft, which is veering away from an aggressive focus on Windows and PCs, the hallmark of previous Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer. The new, quieter emphasis is on selling services across all devices and is championed by new boss Satya Nadella.

    The switch also represents a desire to erase the ill will generated by Windows 8, an ambitious attempt to redesign Windows with tablet users in mind, which ended up annoying and confusing the core market of customers who use mice and keyboards.

    "Windows 8 was not a shining moment for Microsoft," said Michael Silver, an analyst at tech research firm Gartner. "Probably the biggest issue that lingers is the negative brand equity in the name."

    Microsoft declined to comment on the new name, or what it plans to unveil on Tuesday.

    The Redmond, Washington-based company has said only that it will have a "discussion" about where Windows is headed at a stylish event space in San Francisco on Tuesday.
     
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    Has anyone ever rooted a android device from a windows tablet such as any windows 8.1 program
     
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    Provided the tablet is 8.1 Pro and not RT, should be able to, just like you can root using a traditional desktop or laptop PC. AFAIK all the most common Windows rooting tools, like Kingo, will work with anything from XP SP3 through to 8.1 Pro. Anyway I read that Microsoft now discontinued RT as a failure.
     
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    This tablet is dead wont pickup device as being installed but it is charging. Drivers hang up and just stop installing in the middle . I am not seeing rt windows thanks I will get it
     

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