President Donald Trump...

[psionandy]

Cough.... PRESIDENT TRUMP .... Cough...

 

[bcrichster]

Cough.... PRESIDENT TRUMP .... Cough...

Yes Sir, time to revive an old thread..
Terrorism:
http://androidforums.com/index.php?posts/7152744

 

[ItnStln511]

SO... one for the American's reading this....
Our Prime Minister met with Mr Trump this week... but It was a very busy time with lots of other things happening and lots of other announcements were made. So my questions are, Did anyone notice? What do you think of her? Do you expect anything to come of this?

(btw, the woman on the left isn't the Queen )

The fact that President Trump looks respectable, and your Prime Minister not so much.

 

[ItnStln511]

Yes Sir, time to revive an old thread..
Terrorism:
http://androidforums.com/index.php?posts/7152744

I remember that thread!

 

[Mikestony]

Closed temporarily pending off topic post cleanup.

Not sure if anyone saw @palmtree5 post about keeping it on topic
Hence the closure for now...

 

[Mikestony]

o.k..so here is the deal. Keep it on topic.....perhaps a "please" is in order?
We really don't want to babysit this thread and start putting folks in a timeout

/thread cleaned
Cheers!

 

[psionandy]

The fact that President Trump looks respectable, and your Prime Minister not so much.

I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say about this..... Please elaborate

 

[bcrichster]

The fact that President Trump looks respectable, and your Prime Minister not so much.

Don't see anything wrong with how she looks (did I miss something?)

Edit: Orange suit to match his hair?

 

[notacoach]

I'm not being sarcastic - I'm genuinely interested.

Are any DT or GOP supporters in here concerned about the ramifications of any of his actions during this first week, or do you feel confident about those decisions and the future?

To those of you who support the executive order to ban Muslims from certain countries:

1. Do you think it's acceptable to exempt the countries where DT has business interests?

2 . Do you think it's acceptable not to exempt those with existing greencards and longterm student visa, those with dual nationality, those in transit to final destinations elsewhere, those who were already in flight when the decision was announced and other issues that came to light yesterday?

 

[bcrichster]

I'm not being sarcastic - I'm genuinely interested.

Are any DT or GOP supporters in here concerned about the ramifications of any of his actions during this first week, or do you feel confident about those decisions and the future?

To those of you who support the executive order to ban Muslims from certain countries:

1. Do you think it's acceptable to exempt the countries where DT has business interests?

2 . Do you think it's acceptable not to exempt those with existing greencards and longterm student visa, those with dual nationality, those in transit to final destinations elsewhere, those who were already in flight when the decision was announced and other issues that came to light yesterday?

DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
I am certainly concerned with any ramifications of executive order.. But on the same note what about the excessive orders Obama has signed? Many were secret and without any real common sense. Yes, at this time I stand behind most DT's actions. We need USEFUL change unlike Obama's underhanded actions. Screw Iran, a cesspool of terrorism.

1 - if DT hasn't any businesses in the terrorist countries to begin with, the question is moot.

2 - it's a shame about the few who are here for logical reasons and can't get in, but the fact is that WE'RE AT WAR! Collateral damage is a shame but inevitable. We need to protect our children.

Where was all the butthurt when Obama blocked Iraqis for 6mo in 2011 so he could get reelected? That was petty politics, this is now to a level of concern wellbeing.

How can you ppl accept an ideology of death & destruction as "peaceful"? They are born, bred and raised to be killers and ppl protesting isn't gonna change that.

Trump may be saying things ppl "don't " like but he's being blunt and upfront about it. Unlike your favorite Terrorist-In-Chief, Obama.
Hopefully DT will take the $221M Obama tried to sneak to Pakistan via.. EXECUTIVE ORDER and do something more important, like fix Flint's water crises (estimated at $216M repairs).

My Fellow Americans, what are we offended about today..??

Edit: added a missed word, in parenthesis

 

[jhtalisman]

DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
But on the same note what about the excessive orders Obama has signed?

Excessive? He had less executive orders than any 8 year, 2 term President since FDR. And less than, per 4 year term, since Benjamin Harrison in 1889-1893. Do you do any due diligence, or just read right wing propaganda?

 

[bcrichster]

Excessive? He had less executive orders than any 8 year, 2 term President since FDR. And less than, per 4 year term, since Benjamin Harrison in 1889-1893. Do you do any due diligence, or just read right wing propaganda?

LmFAO! He still wrote more Orders than 30 other Presidents previous. Here's some Google for ya, aka "diligence". On top of that, quite a few (way too many) were very underhanded and sneaky/quiet.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

 

[notacoach]

DOUBLE STANDARDS!!
I am certainly concerned with any ramifications of executive order.. But on the same note what about the excessive orders Obama has signed? Many were secret and without any real common sense. Yes, at this time I stand behind most DT's actions. We need USEFUL change unlike Obama's underhanded actions. Screw Iran, a cesspool of terrorism.

1 - if DT hasn't any businesses in the terrorist countries to begin with, the question is moot.

2 - it's a shame about the few who are here for logical reasons and can't get in, but the fact is that WE'RE AT WAR! Collateral damage is a shame but inevitable. We need to protect our children.

Where was all the butthurt when Obama blocked Iraqis for 6mo in 2011 so he could get reelected? That was petty politics, this is now to a level of concern wellbeing.

How can you ppl accept an ideology of death & destruction as "peaceful"? They are born, bred and raised to be killers and ppl protesting isn't gonna change that.

Trump may be saying things ppl "don't " like but he's being blunt and upfront about it. Unlike your favorite Terrorist-In-Chief, Obama.
Hopefully DT will take the $221M Obama tried to sneak to Pakistan via.. EXECUTIVE ORDER and do something more important, like fix Flint's water crises (estimated at $216M repairs).

My Fellow Americans, what are we offended about today..??

Edit: added a missed word, in parenthesis

There has been no formal declaration of war (yet). You cannot formally be at war with a religion or ideology, only another nation.

I'd have said the double standard is in the right wing media which was stridently screaming things like "dictator" and "executive orders are an affront to democracy" and "tyranny" when Obama signed orders (in most cases after diligent attempts to work WITH the GOP had been stonewalled by self-proclaimed obstructonist-on-principle McConnell and his buddies).

Where are those accusations of dictator/fascist/tyrant now, with a leader who has more concern about his own wallet and popularity than global stability or humanity?

PS he has businesses and personal interests in the countries which are *not* subject to the ban. Ironicallly, those are the countries where 9/11 and other known terrorists were from. Even if you are pro ban, surely this makes no foreign policy sense at all?

 

[PitCarver]

Funny how when oboma did it, it was OK.

 

[bcrichster]

I'm just gonna leave you guys to sticking your head in the sand. Pansy @$$'d sugar coating and deflecting from reality is ridiculous. I'm having real difficulty finding intelligence in this thread (with few exceptions, like @psionandy) and arguing with you ppl isn't helping anyone. It seems that too many lightbulbs of intelligence have lost pwr in today's world and all that's being accomplished is talking to walls.
Apparently the war with Terrorism doesn't exist because you think they're peaceful.

 

[psionandy]

LmFAO! He still wrote more Orders than 30 other Presidents previous. Here's some Google for ya, aka "diligence". On top of that, quite a few (way too many) were very underhanded and sneaky/quiet.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
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Thanks for the chart... when people start throwing numbers around its really useful to have a verified source of them....

Based on the chart, its impossible to determine which orders where right, and which is wrong... it only tells how many. And I'm going to confess here, that I had no idea that ANY president had done so many.... In my head I thought it was much like the early presidents who did a few now and again.

Certainly on a yearly basis, Its clear that you'd have to go back a long time, to Grover Cleveland to find a President with a lighter hand to when it comes to using the Executive orders than President Obama.

 

[psionandy]

Funny how when Obama did it, it was OK.
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fixed the typo for you and you may want to think back about Carter as well.
http://www.snopes.com/jimmy-carter-banned-iranian-immigrants/

Anyway, the full text can be found at https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182 just in case anyone was interested (and wanted to see the full thing in its context)

And here's an interesting discussion, if anyone wants to take the time to follow the link and take the time to read.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...-weigh-donald-trumps-plan-ban-muslims-n476041

 

[notacoach]

I'm just gonna leave you guys to sticking your head in the sand. Pansy @$$'d sugar coating and deflecting from reality is ridiculous. I'm having real difficulty finding intelligence in this thread (with few exceptions, like @psionandy) and arguing with you ppl isn't helping anyone. It seems that too many lightbulbs of intelligence have lost pwr in today's world and all that's being accomplished is talking to walls.
Apparently the war with Terrorism doesn't exist because you think they're peaceful.

If you have verifiable, non-alternate-facts to support your assertions, I'm all ears. So far all I'm hearing is personal attacks and right wing media bluster.

 

[bcrichster]

If you have verifiable, non-alternate-facts to support your assertions, I'm all ears. So far all I'm hearing is personal attacks and right wing media conspiracies.

You've been given facts, look the shit up yourself. But you won't, it'll damage your reality bubble. Peace

 

[psionandy]

SO... one for the American's reading this....
Our Prime Minister met with Mr Trump this week... but It was a very busy time with lots of other things happening and lots of other announcements were made. So my questions are, Did anyone notice? What do you think of her? Do you expect anything to come of this?

(btw, the woman on the left isn't the Queen )

Well.. I think this headline answers all of my questions......

None of the US papers put Theresa May's visit to the White House on their front page. It's time to face our insignificance
While the British newspapers didn't hesitate to lead with the Prime Minister's first meeting with President Trump, for the American audience it didn't seem particularly relevant​

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-american-press-insignificance-a7550686.html

 

[PitCarver]

No typo...
Let's not forget about Clinton..

 

[PitCarver]

Well.. I think this headline answers all of my questions......

None of the US papers put Theresa May's visit to the White House on their front page. It's time to face our insignificance
While the British newspapers didn't hesitate to lead with the Prime Minister's first meeting with President Trump, for the American audience it didn't seem particularly relevant​

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-american-press-insignificance-a7550686.html

Personally, I was impressed with Prime Minister May.

 

[psionandy]

Don't think everyone was cheering... in fact that part didn't get much of a mention in the NY times reporting.

IF anyone else can post links to contemporaneous reports about the response to it from that side, that would be appreciated...


http://www.nytimes.com/1995/01/25/u...ms-his-themes-92-asks-new.html?pagewanted=all

Among the steps the President endorsed on the immigration issue was adoption of a national computer system to keep track of citizens and aliens authorized to work in this country. That would allow employers to check the immigration status of job applicants. Such a system was recommended by a commission headed by former Representative Barbara Jordan, Democrat of Texas.

The proposal has drawn criticism from ethnic and immigrant groups, but the White House hopes it will stand as a contrast to more conservative proposals like California's Proposition 187, which, now stayed by the courts, would deny public services and benefits to undocumented aliens.
​

And it barely got a mention in http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/states/stories/sou012595.htm


Again.. if anyone has better links reports from the time, or even during his presidency i'd really like to see them.

 

[psionandy]

Anyway... for those who want to see the speech in context here's the section on immigration.

Illegal Immigration

All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected, but in every place in this country are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our Administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more, by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

The most important job of our Government in this new era is to empower the American people to succeed in the global economy. America has always been a land of opportunity, a land where, if you work hard, you can get ahead. We've become a great middle-class country; middle-class values sustain us. We must expand that middle class and shrink the underclass even as we do everything we can to support the millions of Americans who are already successful in the new economy.

America is once again the world's strongest economic power: almost six million new jobs in the last two years, exports booming, inflation down, high-wage jobs are coming back. A record number of American entrepreneurs are living the American dream.

If we want it to stay that way, those who work and lift our nation must have more of its benefits.

Today, too many of those people are being left out. They're working harder for less. They have less security, less income, less certainty that they can even afford a vacation, much less college for their kids or retirement for themselves.

We cannot let this continue. If we don't act, our economy will probably keep doing what it's been doing since about 1978, when the income growth began to go to those at the very top of our economic scale. And the people in the vast middle got very little growth and people who worked like crazy but were on the bottom then, fell even further and further behind in the years afterward, no matter how hard they worked.

We've got to have a Government that can be a real partner in making this new economy work for all of our people, a Government that helps each and every one of us to get an education and to have the opportunity to renew our skills.
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And a full transcript can be found at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/states/docs/sou95.htm

 

[PitCarver]

Let's not forget about Clinton..
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