iPhone 4S Revealed... No Regrets!

[novox77]

It doesn't matter if iOS5 ripped off of Android features. It doesn't matter that there are voice command apps for Android. Most people don't care who got there first. If Apple is betting on voice commands, it means it works well. And their execution is likely better than what we have on Android. I'll reserve judgment until after I've played with iOS5 Siri personally, but I'm betting it is a good experience.

And that is classic Apple: take existing tech and execute it well so that it catches on and becomes mainstream. Think iPod. I was playing mp3 files a good 6 years before the iPod came out, and I owned two dedicated mp3 players before iPod. But it was Apple that made portable mp3 mainstream. That is why they call their products "Revolutionary." It's NOT about the tech; it's not about who got there first; it's about how the user accepts the technology.

Siri is what Apple thinks is going to be the revolutionary feature of the iPhone 4S, just like the capacitive touchscreen was for the original iPhone. Were these technologies new? Not by a long shot, but it's Apple's execution of these techs that get the masses to buy them.

If Siri proves popular, you can bet the next batch of Androids will put more emphasis on voice command apps. Who cares who's copying whom. As long as the good tech survives. Sometimes it takes a company like Apple to show the world the potential of existing tech.

 

[EarlyMon]

Agreed, but two counterpoints nonetheless -

[GALAXY S II] Voice Talk - YouTube


And also -

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pannous.voice.actions.free&feature=related_apps

In this case, I submit that perhaps it's more a case of awareness than refinement in Siri's case. Siri is far from being a new app, after all.

Neither is Apple doing anything unclear by claiming that Siri is a first. They are simply exploiting how long it's been since that commercial aired.

The Emperor's clothes are grand indeed.

 

[jerofld]

I'm also underwelmed. In an era that users are demanding more dual-core 4G handsets, Apple counters with only one of those (the A5 chip) and voice commands?

Seems like a really good upgrade for those on the 3GS and older iPhones. But looks like the iP4 users can let their contracts burn out a bit more before having to worry about upgrading. And there is nothing there that, I think, would pull any of the Android base with Gingerbread installed.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Also, were Apple's numbers correct? 43% of mobile platforms are running iOS while only 33% are running Android? I thought Android surpassed iOS a while ago.

I think Apple is defining mobile as iTouches, iPhones and maybe even iPads as well. They define Android on mobile to just phones. Their numbers are no doubtedly correct as lots and lots of people have iTouches. I wouldn't consider an iTouch a mobile device, but Apple does for the purpose of calculating their market share. Every other company that calculates mobile market share looks at just phones as mobile devices. Android has surpassed iOS in the phone market long ago. Android can't compete with the iTouch though and Apple pretty much owns that market. I think there is one Android device that's designed to be a PMP and it literally just came out.

 

[Medion]

Wait, what? scoll upto what exactly? allot has been posted already and I'm not reading it all.

How is the Mali 400 MP not proven tech? Did you not read the Anandtech review? It's the fastest GPU currently available for Android.

I apologize, had two tabs opened, my link was in the other thread. Anyway, you keep trying to debunk my information, but you're not providing any links to this article you keep referencing. Please post it, because I like to learn. If I'm wrong, then so be it, I've been wrong before. But please, show me. All you've done thus far is attack my character or tell me that I "should be embarrassed" without posting anything that truly contradicts my point, educates me, or benefits the thread in general.

I wouldn't be surprised if my link was premature, so please, show me some better, more current data. I'd love to be proven wrong. It's how I learn.

 

[EarlyMon]

No.

What you do is heed my warning in the other thread. If you two want to have a detailed GPU discussion, please open a dedicated thread for it and stop hijacking multi-dimension threads over a single-dimension issue.

And further character attacks will carry severe penalties.

 

[dan330]

apple ..steve...


really? i guess you are just now satisfied with being ... what you got.. and just using your Marketing and Legal skills to keep the cash coming in.

 

[tw557]

The one thing the Iphone will have for a long time and it seems like forever is a much better app selection. I really miss the iphone apps and especially the racing games. I love virtually everything else with the android phones though. When it came time to purchase a tablet, really had to get the ipad because of the better apps. In a year now I have seen little improvement from the app area.

 

[cds0699]

The voice talk software on the Galaxy S2 powered by vlingo actually works really well. I have been impressed by how much I use it, esp when I thought I wouldn't use it at all.

 

[novox77]

The one thing the Iphone will have for a long time and it seems like forever is a much better app selection. I really miss the iphone apps and especially the racing games. I love virtually everything else with the android phones though. When it came time to purchase a tablet, really had to get the ipad because of the better apps. In a year now I have seen little improvement from the app area.

Agreed that Android is behind on Gaming apps in the phone realm. Not so with other apps. It's rare these days for me to see an app on the Apple app store that isn't available on the Market for my phone.

Tablet-specific apps are indeed lacking, mainly because we don't have a superstar Android tablet yet. Again, you have to give props to Apple for convincing people that they need an Apple iPad when in reality, they don't really need it. Meanwhile, Android tablet manufacturers don't have the ability to convince people that they need a tablet, despite offering comparable devices.

There's more to the allure of an Apple product than just the tech. It's Luxe. It's a fashion accessory. And for what it does, it does well. A slam dunk seller. That's how iPod killed off all of the wannabe mp3 players. The tech is only a small part of their success equation. They don't NEED to have the best specs do sell insanely well.

 

[novox77]

The voice talk software on the Galaxy S2 powered by vlingo actually works really well. I have been impressed by how much I use it, esp when I thought I wouldn't use it at all.

I tried Edwin last night, and it was a complete joke. To say that Android had Edwin before Siri is a pretty hollow argument.

I'll give vlingo a try tonight.

But I'll say it again: the fact that Apple has tuned the general population in to the potential of voice commands is a testament to their ability to revolutionize how people use technology. Does it take Apple's announcement of Siri to jumpstart voice command usage? If voice command becomes mainstream (everyone on the subway is talking to their phones, scary thought), Apple can claim it as their innovation, despite the presence of the tech (like Edwin, vlingo, etc) before it.

I seriously doubt Samsung will ever get the credit for voice command with their eskimo commercial, despite them beating Apple to it. They don't have the power to convince people that they need that feature. Apple does.

 

[vikingjunior]

The one thing the Iphone will have for a long time and it seems like forever is a much better app selection. I really miss the iphone apps and especially the racing games. I love virtually everything else with the android phones though. When it came time to purchase a tablet, really had to get the ipad because of the better apps. In a year now I have seen little improvement from the app area.

Well I kind of agree although the popular apps ( Facebook, Pandora) seem the same in iphone and android. Not so popular apps can be hit or miss in Android. I find reading the user reviews can determine to download or not.

 

[vikingjunior]

I tried Edwin last night, and it was a complete joke. To say that Android had Edwin before Siri is a pretty hollow argument.

I'll give vlingo a try tonight.

But I'll say it again: the fact that Apple has tuned the general population in to the potential of voice commands is a testament to their ability to revolutionize how people use technology. Does it take Apple's announcement of Siri to jumpstart voice command usage? If voice command becomes mainstream (everyone on the subway is talking to their phones, scary thought), Apple can claim it as their innovation, despite the presence of the tech (like Edwin, vlingo, etc) before it.

I seriously doubt Samsung will ever get the credit for voice command with their eskimo commercial, despite them beating Apple to it. They don't have the power to convince people that they need that feature. Apple does.

Although Android has matured enough that even if Apple did put voice commands on the map the first question would be does Android have voice commands? The answer is YES.

So I think were at a place were whatever the iphone can do a Android can do.

 

[jerofld]

Although Android has matured enough that even if Apple did put voice commands on the map the first question would be does Android have voice commands? The answer is YES.

So I think were at a place were whatever the iphone can do a Android can do.

The question then becomes: Who can make it seamless? Apple is good at making things seamless.

I will also hate them forever if they make it mainstream where everyone is talking to their phones to do everything.

 

[Shocky]

Yup it's outdated and not even in stores

I wouldn't say it was outdated, they've brought the iPhone 4 up-to-date with current Android phones. However for a company that claims to innovative it is disappointing.

 

[download44]

No regrets? I was disappointed. Maybe the first time Apple couldn't live upto the hype it generated. WHERE IS IPHONE 5?

 

[novox77]

No regrets? I was disappointed. Maybe the first time Apple couldn't live upto the hype it generated. WHERE IS IPHONE 5?

It will be released in a few months, thereby screwing over everyone who got iPhone 4s. But Apple still wins because the diehard fans will upgrade again.

Remember when the original iPhone came out, and 2 months later, Apple dropped the price by $200? Same kinda thing.

 

[admob]

It doesn't matter if iOS5 ripped off of Android features. doesn't matter that there are voice command apps for Android. h.

Cause it does when all fanboys do is bang on about innovating and reinventing the wheel each time a new apple product comes out. The engadget review was cringing, like a paid commercial. They called the notification bar innovative, and used amazing more often than not! Absolutely redic the amount of drivel these launches generate.

 

[Frisco]

Apple still wins because the diehard fans will upgrade again.

I think I know how iPhone "diehards" feel, as I found myself wanting the X2 so badly I went ahead and paid full retail for it, having just come off a Droid 3 I was not enjoying all that much and had way past the "buyer's remorse" period of only 14 days.

If you want something badly enough, you're going to spend to get it. I have no doubt at all that those with the latest iPhone 4 will head right back to the Apple cart for their 5 on release day.

 

[novox77]

Cause it does when all fanboys do is bang on about innovating and reinventing the wheel each time a new apple product comes out. The engadget review was cringing, like a paid commercial. They called the notification bar innovative, and used amazing more often than not! Absolutely redic the amount of drivel these launches generate.

I maintain that it does not matter because what the fanboys say has no bearing on anything important in this world

 

[Deleted User]

Sadly past reviews comment that Siri never worked very well with UK voices as I have to say neither does vlingo on my DHD. It improves if I put on a bad fake US accent even if the settings are for UK

 

[Ussrbuddy]

Did Apple disapoint? Yes, no 4g and same small screen. However, google's best (samsung galaxy s2) still falls short of iphone in many ways.

Google phones have a major set back, the system is buggy and slow! I'm an android user and owned 3 different android phones and they have all had the following problems.

1st-all of them restart at random times out of nowhere. I've asked every android user I know and they all tell me that they experienced this. That's a big problem, especially since I use navigation for work and have to wait one to two minutes for my phone to restart, in order to know where I'm going. 2 minutes on a freeway is a loooooonnng time!

2nd - programs randomly close and give error messages at times.

3rd - phone lags...this might just be my droid x, but I've experienced it on my other 2 phones that I owned and many android users have complained about it as well.

Yes, android has a lot of features that iphone's do not have. However, unless google fixes their slow, buggy OS, hopefully with the ice cream sandwich update, then I still see iphone as a strong contender for first place. It still comes down to what you're looking for in a phone, stability or latest features.

 

[drexappeal]

Did Apple disapoint? Yes, no 4g and same small screen. However, google's best (samsung galaxy s2) still falls short of iphone in many ways.

Google phones have a major set back, the system is buggy and slow! I'm an android user and owned 3 different android phones and they have all had the following problems.

1st-all of them restart at random times out of nowhere. I've asked every android user I know and they all tell me that they experienced this. That's a big problem, especially since I use navigation for work and have to wait one to two minutes for my phone to restart, in order to know where I'm going. 2 minutes on a freeway is a loooooonnng time!

2nd - programs randomly close and give error messages at times.

3rd - phone lags...this might just be my droid x, but I've experienced it on my other 2 phones that I owned and many android users have complained about it as well.

Yes, android has a lot of features that iphone's do not have. However, unless google fixes their slow, buggy OS, hopefully with the ice cream sandwich update, then I still see iphone as a strong contender for first place. It still comes down to what you're looking for in a phone, stability or latest features.

1) I've heard of random reboots, but not every user has experienced that and not necessarily a consistent issue (seems dependent on the type of phone from the information I've seen)
2) Programs randomnly closing can be a number of different factors.
3) What other 2 android phones did you have, aside from the Droid X?

Also, what makes you convinced that apple's OS is all that much more stable? Or their phones that much more reliable? Did you hear about the radio antenna problem last year? On top of that, there are MANY Android converts that used to be iPhone users and have reported their iPhone experience as not being all that reliable either.

 

[Bnice]

Did Apple disapoint? Yes, no 4g and same small screen. However, google's best (samsung galaxy s2) still falls short of iphone in many ways.

Google phones have a major set back, the system is buggy and slow! I'm an android user and owned 3 different android phones and they have all had the following problems.

1st-all of them restart at random times out of nowhere. I've asked every android user I know and they all tell me that they experienced this. That's a big problem, especially since I use navigation for work and have to wait one to two minutes for my phone to restart, in order to know where I'm going. 2 minutes on a freeway is a loooooonnng time!

2nd - programs randomly close and give error messages at times.

3rd - phone lags...this might just be my droid x, but I've experienced it on my other 2 phones that I owned and many android users have complained about it as well.

Yes, android has a lot of features that iphone's do not have. However, unless google fixes their slow, buggy OS, hopefully with the ice cream sandwich update, then I still see iphone as a strong contender for first place. It still comes down to what you're looking for in a phone, stability or latest features.

What set back are you referring to? If you look at the hardware compare to the top Android devices, the iphone 4s is still behind. Android phones been rocking dual core processor for sometime now. The camera, Samsung and HTC been doing all that. Four plus years and the best they did was retina display and that got left behind with the super amoled. Lets be real that iphone is nothing to be bragging about, it just confirm that Android is leading the way.

 

[Ussrbuddy]

My other 2 android phones were the first droid and very recently the samsung droid charge that I ended up giving away to my brother after a few months of use.

I use Iphone's pretty regularly as well, since my fiancee, her sister, and brother all use the iphone.

For my own purposes I need a good navi system, so I use android. However, I've had a long exposure to both systems. The fact is, Iphone IOS is MUCH more stable than google's android. Yes one year ago maybe there were iphones that had a problem with some antena. But that was a YEAR ago, and that's one problem that everyone latched on to. While with androids I get something every day. You guys can argue with me about it all you want, but Android OS is much more sluggish and buggy than IOS. Hopefully this will be fixed with the ice cream sandwich update. Android OS does have a lot of cool features that iOS doesn't, and in my opinion, it's more user friendly (even though I always here the oposite) and much more costimizable (which I love).

So yes Androids are leading in hardware. But with a laggy OS, iphones run better still. Like I said the choice is between a stable system, or a buggy system, but with much better features. Neither can claim first place.