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Well, first, it's my understanding that not only does the rotation of the Earth effect atmosphere but also gravity, therefore it might be impossible for such a planet to support life. But for the purposes of discussion, I'd imagine a civilized race would in fact take advantage of the situation by exploiting the region along the line between the light and dark side to colonize (the temperate zone) and in turn the light side for power whether it be solar, hydroelectric, geothermal. I'd imagine such a place would have drastic events going on on the hottest of the light side and equally so on the coldest of the dark side. Either could be exploited.
 
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Basically we got three things going for us ... a stable orbit (for relatively even temps), liquid water (the stuff of life) and an iron core (for our highly underrated magnetic field which is a cosmic ray umbrella). Given different conditions, any life would be very different.
 
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Basically we got three things going for us ... a stable orbit (for relatively even temps), liquid water (the stuff of life) and an iron core (for our highly underrated magnetic field which is a cosmic ray umbrella). Given different conditions, any life would be very different.

I read somewhere that Jupiter is also a big factor. Otherwise life on Earth would have been obliterated long ago by something hitting the planet.

But I often marvel at the process of evolution that led us here.
 
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I read somewhere that Jupiter is also a big factor. Otherwise life on Earth would have been obliterated long ago by something hitting the planet.

But I often marvel at the process of evolution that led us here.
I saw that too. That it's massive magnetic field acted like a galactic vacuum preventing space junk from reaching the inner solar system or something like that.
 
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Tomorrow marks 2 weeks since my mom passed away. Tomorrow my dad is having a pacemaker put in.

I'm worried about him, of course - but if mom was still with us it's likely he wouldn't be having this done yet since he had to be her full time caregiver.
I'm sorry if I missed a post on Mom passing, if I did, my condolences. Also, good luck to Dad and wishing him a speedy recovery.
 
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Tomorrow marks 2 weeks since my mom passed away. Tomorrow my dad is having a pacemaker put in.

I'm worried about him, of course - but if mom was still with us it's likely he wouldn't be having this done yet since he had to be her full time caregiver.

I do hope you are beginning to get some closure. It is a big part of the process. I'm not sure it is something that can be had in 2 weeks though.
 
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I read somewhere that Jupiter is also a big factor. Otherwise life on Earth would have been obliterated long ago by something hitting the planet.

But I often marvel at the process of evolution that led us here.

When I think of how many different variables had to come together to produce...us. I can't help but think that however rare we might be, we are talking about statistics that we cannot even fathom.

Let's say that the odds are 1 in 200,000,000,000. That covers the low estimate of stars in the Milky Way. There are estimates of anywhere from 200,000,000,000 to 500,000,000,000 Galaxies in the Universe (don't know how we can be sure because we have our limitations). So if there is only life on 1 planet per Galaxy......you can do the math.

If we are the only life in all of that, consider the implications that would have on our importance. or the importance of every living thing on this planet! Not saying life isn't important, but when I realize I am a speck on a speck on a speck in the Universe, I can't help but be humbled.

http://www.space.com/26078-how-many-stars-are-there.html
 
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Absolutely love that this kind of salon discussion occurs at all....more, please!
Random thoughts, all of which I could stand to be challenged on. And sorry if contributing to "hijacking thread", whether welcome or not.

Power generation / energy capture on above hypothetical earth.
Obviously, everything is different on the imagined planet; But looking strictly at power production for humans to do useful work, and reduced to the absurd....
I assume the energy already on board either planet is the same and generally fixed. Similarly, the amount of new energy arriving from the sun remains the same in either configuration. What changes most significantly on the proposed planet is just the distribution of a fraction of that energy, and the now dramatic separation between thermal rich and thermally poor areas leads me initially think of Stirling cycle engines. They are fun toys, and prove a physics point, but would hardly be the answer. :)

With one side permanently light, and the other always dark, a significant surface temperature differential would exist. Stirling cycle engines do work better and better with increasing temperature difference, however; They depend on a working fluid shuttling back and forth between the heat source and the heat sink, so.....hundreds of miles of plumbing? Tens of thousands of miles? (Seriously, I'm asking the room....What would the transition zone be like, between light and dark hemispheres? Sharp and distinct, or broad and fuzzy?) The shorter the "pipes", the closer together the heat source and the sink, but the smaller the temperature gradient, and vice-versa. Between the efficiency losses in the "plumbing", and the mechanical losses of turning thermal into mechanical work, this approach begins to look less attractive. Mostly achieving only simple redistribution of energy, with little converted to useful work.
Since you can't get something for nothing, and the energy already present on either planet is a fixed and finite amount, we might do well to look most closely at the small, steady dose of new energy input from the sun. My gut tells me this is always a solid objective, regardless of which planet we propose to inhabit. I can't speak to current techniques of direct conversion of solar energy to power, but optimizing efficiency there should always appeals, wherever you live.

(Grossly oversimplified, ignoring much), whether rotating or not, the same amount of solar radiation reaches the planet in any given period of time. It's certainly hotter on the bright side, and the bright side's "day in the sun" never ends, but the planet as a whole is still receiving the same amount of solar energy at any given moment. But by all means, lets capture some of that incoming energy, turn it into electricity, with the contemporary technology. Now we have a bunch of panels in one region working 24 hours a day (to stick with the old, now invalid model of "time"), and half the planet permanently in darkness. On balance, system wide, I'm seeing only a lateral trade from the present situation of 50% duty cycle over 100% of the planet, to 100% duty cycle over 50% of the surface. At the end of the exercise, regardless of which of the two planets we inhabit, the problem may always come down to total power demand per unit time, vs. available energy supply. In the big picture, the amount of new energy arriving at the planet to be harnessed is still relatively small, per unit time. And never forget or underestimate the significance of the "time" component when calculating horsepower. Two of the principle disadvantages of direct solar have always been overall energy density, and the "on demand" problem. How much, how often, and when can you have it?

At the end of the day, nearly all of the power sources we are familiar and comfortable with have been in service for millennia, because they are cheap and easy; But few of these sources are much more than solar energy dressed up in new clothes; Solar radiation stored in some vast but finite reservoir over considerable time. Another redistribution of energy already here, from one location or form to another.

A 'Fractured Fairy Tales" version of some of the old solar energy models, with their understandable, inherent inefficiencies.

Sun heats water, water travels magically against gravity to new location, we stick something in the water, and harness some of the sun's energy as the water returns downhill.
Sun warms air, air moves around, we stick something in the air and again harness some of the sun's energy.
Sun shines on plants, plants rearrange elements into higher energy configurations, one atom at a time. We eat the plants, reverse the chemical reactions, and lift rocks all day, making pointy piles. mostly to worship the sun in the first place, grateful for all it's blessings....We have always known.;)
Sun shines on plants, plants rearrange elements into higher energy configurations, one atom at a time. Donkey eats plants, reverses some of those chemical reactions. We tie a rope around the donkey, and the donkey delivers some of the sun's power for us. Much better for us, in the short term!
Sun shines on plants, donkey eats plants, both donkey and plants rearrange elements in nifty ways, then drop dead.....Terrible in the short term, but repeat for millions and millions of years, and now we're getting somewhere, cookin' with gas!

Fossil fuels of all kinds have been the gold standard for much of human existence for very simple reasons, which bypass the inherent limitations of any direct conversion of solar energy. By "banking" tiny amounts of solar energy over decades, or even millions and millions of years, converting it into chemical energy, you wind up with substances which have truly remarkable energy density, are highly portable, and available whenever and wherever the consumer requires it.
The "inconvenient truth" of it becomes quickly apparent, however, once the observer resists selfish, (but natural) human tendencies, and looks farther ahead than the immediate needs and desires of the moment. The very, very rapid draw-down of any bank account or reservoir, solely fed by slow steady input, is acceptable in the short term, but never sustainable. The very, very rapid return of chemicals into a system which otherwise adjusts and balances over millennia, is unsustainable. The familiar and comfortable practices we have been engaged in for thousands of years are still generally sustainable, but evidence clearly indicates that the exponential growth of those patterns of behavior in recent years is not. Nor would they be on another imagined planet.
Basically we got three things going for us ... a stable orbit (for relatively even temps), liquid water (the stuff of life) and an iron core (for our highly underrated magnetic field which is a cosmic ray umbrella). Given different conditions, any life would be very different.
A good list, and no arguments.....but I suspect there may be scores of other factors worthy of making the same list as well; Essential factors which contribute to the fragile "Goldilocks / M- class" conditions we enjoy in time and space. The truth may be, that the stability of the system we enjoy, only appears to be stable over the short sampling period for which we have data.
With so much up to chance, and entirely out of our control, why would we continue to pursue an unsustainable course of action, one likely to cause predictable and quantifiable harm to a mission critical system? A system which only appears "bullet proof" and relatively stable from the perspective of a few generations of humans?

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Tidal energy largely due to lunar forces.....how are they altered on the new planet? Seriously, am asking.
Geothermal; Same as ever? Residual from initial big bang?
Nuclear; Same as ever? Residual from initial big bang?
Global magnetic field / tectonic related energy sources....Same as ever?
Surely I am missing others?
 
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Three Catastrophes That Are Near Or Are Overdue:

1. Geomagnetic Reversal

2. Yellowstone Super-Volcano

3. W Mexican Night at Golden Corral
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I don't know? Tuesday and Friday are looking kind of sketchy too.
 
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