Apple iPad 3 launch => Android win? Apple win?

[Covart]

newton? fujitsu? bah, you guys are young. this was my first tablet

 

[EarlyMon]

resolution wise and for coding purposes, I can only think of 4 versions you would have to contend with for iDevices running 4.3+ , notmsure where you got 22 versions??

From the source of the article, from the pie chart, and from there being 22 versions of iOS out in the wild and in current use.

 

[B2L]

Just some food for thought, the new iPad has been benchmarked. Yes, yes benchmarks don't translate to real world performance, but here are the results.

iPad 3 (Or whatever you want to call it.) - Geekbench score of 756
New iPad gets benchmarked: 1GB RAM confirmed, no boost in CPU speed -- Engadget

Transformer Prime - Geekbench score of 1944
asus Transformer Prime TF201 - Geekbench Browser

 

[EarlyMon]

Anyway, here's a little NSFW levity.

The Truth About Android with Walt Mosspuppet - YouTube

Dated but fun.

 

[AntimonyER]

Anyway, here's a little NSFW levity.

The Truth About Android with Walt Mosspuppet - YouTube

Dated but fun.

I do believe this made an appearance in the GNex Megathread

 

[jerofld]

I'm not surprised they sold so well. I don't know what it is about Apple. I listen to quite a few tech podcasts and heard many commenters say things like, "The new iPad has nothing in it intriguing except for the screen and I can live without a hi-res screen on my iPad. Nothing else in it is impressive. I absolutely have to have one and I have no clue why."

Clearly Apple is copying innovating Coca-Cola's old strategy of lacing their products with cocaine.

 

[AntimonyER]

Clearly Apple is copying innovating Coca-Cola's old strategy of lacing their products with cocaine.

I am sure we can find just how they do it, after all, they own patents for everything.

 

[A.Nonymous]

If we could find out how they do it there are many OEMS who would pay us craploads of money to duplicate it. There aren't many products that consumers look at and say, "This is completely unimpressive and is no better than what I already own. I must shell out $800 and buy one!!"

 

[AntimonyER]

If we could find out how they do it there are many OEMS who would pay us craploads of money to duplicate it. There aren't many products that consumers look at and say, "This is completely unimpressive and is no better than what I already own. I must shell out $800 and buy one!!"

Plus repeat the same action EVERY YEAR!

 

[dan330]

Apple didn't invent any of these things but they did something about as important, they created a market and consumer interest in them. No one gave 2 craps about MP3 players, smart phones or tablets before Apple made one and marketed them. Plenty of companies released failed devices before them. So you can thank Apple for the device you just wrote that from more than likely.

thanks apple.. for...

not inventing them..but for making them more popular..
and for suing the original inventors...
and for brain washing your fans to believe you did invent them..

thanks a bunch

 

[psychotron]

Just some food for thought, the new iPad has been benchmarked. Yes, yes benchmarks don't translate to real world performance, but here are the results.

iPad 3 (Or whatever you want to call it.) - Geekbench score of 756
New iPad gets benchmarked: 1GB RAM confirmed, no boost in CPU speed -- Engadget

Transformer Prime - Geekbench score of 1944
asus Transformer Prime TF201 - Geekbench Browser

Yea, the CPU speed isn't its strong point but...here is the GPU tested and as expected, it blows everything else away

Apple's new iPad graphics benchmarked, beats every mobile device out there

 

[EarlyMon]

I think it's no secret that the Apple GPU selection and integration has generally been the top dog, even before this.

 

[IOWA]

Yea, the CPU speed isn't its strong point but...here is the GPU tested and as expected, it blows everything else away

Apple's new iPad graphics benchmarked, beats every mobile device out there

Eh, it needs that power to propel the new screen. I think the power left over after powering the new display is pretty much a wash with the older iPad.

 

[Herodotus]

newton? fujitsu? bah, you guys are young. this was my first tablet

Too funny! LOL!

 

[jonmorris]

Eh, it needs that power to propel the new screen. I think the power left over after powering the new display is pretty much a wash with the older iPad.

I do wonder. When doing speed tests with Android devices that had different screen sizes (from 240x320 to 960x540) it was obvious that a lesser powered device with QVGA would perform well against a device having to display all the extra pixels. Now we've got 1280x720 pixel screens, yet my Xperia S still manages to do 59fps on Neocore.

With four times as many pixels, you could argue that the extra GPU power is required merely to maintain the same speed as the earlier model. But, apps that don't take advantage of the extra pixels (and are just scaled up, before being re-released) may well fly along! The real tests will be once the new iPad specific apps and games arrive.

I'm not knocking the new iPad, I am sure it will be fantastic. Likewise, just as I've found with my range of Android tablets (and an HP Touchpad), I'd probably have little use for one as whenever I try and use a tablet, I find myself just finding it easier to use my phone. With the Xperia S having 1280x720 pixels, there's even less reason to go racing to a tablet when I've got my phone on me anyway. But, I accept some people have different needs and desires!

Edit: I just discovered that the first tablet was actually updated quite soon after its first release..

 

[B2L]

Yea, the CPU speed isn't its strong point but...here is the GPU tested and as expected, it blows everything else away

Apple's new iPad graphics benchmarked, beats every mobile device out there

True, I only wonder why they didn't use some of the newer CPU's from Samsung. The GPU is a beast, I wasn't doubting that at all. Earlymon was definitely right when he said Apple has been top dog in the GPU category for quite some time.

It's actually the only reason I would consider buying an iPod Touch or an iPad, solely for gaming purposes. The Market (Play store) has some good games, but it's really a miniscule amount, compared to the high quality games in the app store.

 

[Stuntman]

This is likely the truth. Apple has a great thing going on. They have now put out two consecutive products (iPhone 4S and new iPad) that tech journalists look at and say, "Meh". Then people line up around the block and buy them by the crapload. Apple has itself in a place where they don't have to innovate. They can just put the same products they've put out before and just give them a hardware refresh and people will line up to buy them.

Android is doing all the innovation. On Android, you've got far better hardware, phones with pico projectors, phones with larger screens, phones that dock into laptop docks, phones that dock into tablets, phones that dock into tablets that dock into laptop docks and phones running 4G. Apple will sit back, wait to see which, if any, of these technologies gains acceptance and then incorporate it. They are essentially getting their competitors to do all the innovation for them, then they step in, claim they invented the technology and reap the rewards.

When I was shopping for tablets last year, my impression of the iPad 2 at the time was that it does less than an Android tablet, but does those fewer things better. Apple has made certain design choices about what not to include to ensure that everything that is included works very well. Android devices try to do a lot more and does them OK for the most part. Flash is a classic example. Android does it adequately for the most part. Apple doesn't do it at all.

For certain web pages with video that the iPad can play, the iPad allows you to pinch zoom on the video to maximise it. On my Android tablet, I can pinch zoom the video to control exactly how much I zoom it. If I only want to max or not the video, the iPad does a good job. Android will give you a little more control.

I find that for most things I would do, the iPad does it a bit better than my Android tablet. There are a few specialised things that Android tablets have that are not available on the iPad or the iPad doesn't do as well. If those are important, then the Android tablet will likely suit your needs more than an iPad.

I think that Apple has been able to find a smaller, manageable set of features that a large majority of people are satisfied with and is able to make those features work well. Android manufacturers for the most part are trying to compete with those extra set of features that may not matter to many people. The Amazon Kindle is able to find a feature that is fairly popular and that feature is low price. They also sacrificed quite a bit of other features to hit that low price point. Asus has been able to find its own niche that is popular with me at least and that is the great keyboard dock. I'm still not convinced the padphone is that good, although I do see others who find it very appealing. These are some areas where Android manufacturers are able to compete.

The latest iPad and iPhone announcements are somewhat minor upgrades, but I find that there are features that are important to many people and myself to an extent. The feature of the iPhone 4S that I feel are a decent improvement that would matter to me is the camera. I like having the convenience of a camera on my phone (Desire Z), but I would also like it to be a little better. As for the retina display on the iPad 3 is the biggest feature. I've compared my phone to an iPhone 4 and I do notice the quality of the images. Although I don't absolutely need to not be able make out individual pixels, they have achived a display resolution that pretty well cannot be beaten in a way that is noticeable.

If Apple lays and waits to see what becomes hot and then incorporates them into their products slowly, I would say they made some good choices in what to include and what not to include. I'm sure my Android devices can do way more than an iOS product, but I probably don't use 80% of those features. I happen to use Android devices because I happen to want certain features that iOS devices do not have that Android devices do. I can also say that these features are probably not that important to many other people.

 

[jonmorris]

Apple likes to pioneer some things (design, screens or whatever) but also sit on the fence a lot of the time to see what's going to be big next.

NFC has a lot of potential, but the industry is making a right mess of it so far. You have arguments with operators and banks on how to share revenue (and whether to even pay commission to networks at all) and a load of other problems.

You can be 99.99% certain that Apple will introduce NFC at some point, and line up a load of deals with a major card company, and a load of retailers, as well as setting up a cool way to share things between your iPhone and another iPhone (and then the next iPad, iPod and who knows - maybe NFC embedded in your iMac so you can read your contact less cards and download tags etc).

I have no idea on how they'll do it, but they WILL do it. Meanwhile you'll get loads of Android (and RIM) devices this year with NFC and nobody showing much interest at all. It's hard to believe that Google had NFC in a handset a long time ago, as well as Nokia.. and we're all now going to have to wait until Apple cracks it.

 

[EarlyMon]

GPU isn't everything in graphics.

For example, the OMAP 4460 used the Nexus has a core apart from the GPU just to manage normal screen updates. Other SoCs are highly effective as well with respect to 2d graphics, especially for video media.

If good graphics to you means high quality video handling, then most GPU benchmarks aren't measuring what you care about. If you're into 3D gaming, they may.

Not everyone knows that, thought I'd mention it.

 

[Bnice]

If Apple lays and waits to see what becomes hot and then incorporates them into their products slowly, I would say they made some good choices in what to include and what not to include.

In my personal opinion, I think Apple like's to milk every nickel and dime they can get out of their consumers.

 

[jonmorris]

In my personal opinion, I think Apple like's to milk every nickel and dime they can get out of their consumers.

So would all the other companies if they could!

I am not saying it's good that Apple wants to tie you in to their devices, their OS and then take a cut of every app, game, music track, video, book and magazine you buy, but it's definitely something everyone would want to be able to do - and do well.

 

[mikedt]

In my personal opinion, I think Apple like's to milk every nickel and dime they can get out of their consumers.

Don't they all? Things like hotels, telcos, etc.

 

[EarlyMon]

So would all the other companies if they could!

I am not saying it's good that Apple wants to tie you in to their devices, their OS and then take a cut of every app, game, music track, video, book and magazine you buy, but it's definitely something everyone would want to be able to do - and do well.

Bingo.

A lot of folks, especially in the Microsoft and Android camps hate this about Apple.

But a lot of folks I've talked to simply don't mind paying for the convenience of having all of that in one place, with the purchase, billing and device-use model all tied together.

Whether you're for or against it, there's no denying that for a sizeable portion of the market, that's the Easy Button.

Had a pal with an iPod. I sent him a gift of MP3 songs on Amazon. (gift card or purchase, I don't remember details)

I go to visit, and he still didn't have them on his iPod, he got confused. His question, after watching me go through the download process and get the songs into iTunes - replace his iPod with something compatible with Amazon or have me get him iTunes music next time?

He's a managing engineer, high on tech skills, low on spare time.

He got the iPod as a gift, never owned a PMP before and couldn't care less about Windows, Apple, or mobile device brands. I just knew he liked Amazon, Amazon is easy to buy stuff from when you're always on the go.

And last I heard, he was part of the Apple ecology because buying stuff was the Easy Button for him.

 

[mikedt]

And I went further back. I had one of these in 1993

An Apple Newton. The first ARM based touchscreen tablet. It predates all the Windows 95 tablet convertibles.

Hey there was a British pen tablet as well...

... the Amstrad PenPad(1993), however like most Amstrad products it was cheap but not very good.

 

[psychotron]

Bingo.

A lot of folks, especially in the Microsoft and Android camps hate this about Apple.

But a lot of folks I've talked to simply don't mind paying for the convenience of having all of that in one place, with the purchase, billing and device-use model all tied together.

Whether you're for or against it, there's no denying that for a sizeable portion of the market, that's the Easy Button.

Had a pal with an iPod. I sent him a gift of MP3 songs on Amazon. (gift card or purchase, I don't remember details)

I go to visit, and he still didn't have them on his iPod, he got confused. His question, after watching me go through the download process and get the songs into iTunes - replace his iPod with something compatible with Amazon or have me get him iTunes music next time?

He's a managing engineer, high on tech skills, low on spare time.

He got the iPod as a gift, never owned a PMP before and couldn't care less about Windows, Apple, or mobile device brands. I just knew he liked Amazon, Amazon is easy to buy stuff from when you're always on the go.

And last I heard, he was part of the Apple ecology because buying stuff was the Easy Button for him.

Hmmmm, must have been some odd format I guess? iTunes can read, write and convert MP3, WAV, AAC, MPEG-4 and AIFF. Those are the most commonly used as they provide quality sound in small files, even at 320. I wouldn't want to use any other files and I am surprised Amazon would sell a different coded file. Most of mine are MPEG with some AAC mixed in. Or do you mean he couldn't get them from iTunes to his iPod? I would be scared if someone high on tech skills couldn't grasp something as simple as plug in your iPod then drag and drop your files into it. 7 year olds can get songs to their iPods haha