Discussion in 'Computers' started by MoodyBlues, Jan 17, 2013.
I think I just has a flashback from a bad trip!
I hate this, but: I know, right?
I'd like to stick Linux on my laptop but I've no idea where to start...
The laptop was originally Win8, which has been upgraded to Win10 and it's been nothing but a pain since getting slower with each update that lands. Now I use to be very good with windows PCs right upto win7 but now rearly use them so have lost the fine art of tweaking and reinstalling. (How the hell that can be done is another matter all together)
So i would like to dump windows and try Linux. The main issue would be my wife needs to be able to use it for work, and I'm guessing you can no longer duel boot with windows 10?
That would be the ideal solution for us, a dual boot as she would likely need the microsoft suit for work. Can this be done? Maybe if a reset the PC back to win8? If that's possible once the evil win10 has taken over! Then the question would be is to what Linux to use?
I only have a second, so two things: 1) Kubuntu for the win!, and, 2) our Linux mega-thread is a great place for all things Linux.
Cool, thanks @MoodyBlues maybe some kind mod could merge the threads.
I've been reading up on Linux Mint that allows dual boot, even has a guide on disabling the win 8 secure boot mode.. handy light reading at 4am.
Ever heard of Linux mint? Any good?
Yes, it's very nice, and one of many distros I've tried over the years. But my REAL distro is Kubuntu. I literally can't say enough about how much I love it.
When it comes to dual-booting, I'm too far removed to be helpful; the last dual-boot I set up was in ≈1994. But I'm willing to bet that most any modern Linux would work. It's never been Linux at fault when it comes to working nicely and politely alongside window$, but the other way around.
Regardless, I'm sure that you'll be able to accomplish dual-booting, if that's really what you want. There are open-source replacements for just about anything one could need. For example, the office suites [free for the asking] can read and write M$ files, like spreadsheets. But, again, I don't personally have experience with that--but others do.
If you want, you can report this thread--which sounds scary, but it just gives you a quick way to contact staff and ask that this thread be appended to the mega-thread. Or I will. Whichever you prefer!
Thanks for the informative post @MoodyBlues I'll check Kubuntu out. The main issue I was worried about was the lockout win8 puts in place with the secure boot.
Now the other thought, do all linux distros require you to setup 3 seperate partitions the same as the lime install? Ie root, swap & home?
The moving of the thread is fine, it can stay here or be moved when someone pops along.
Someone else recently asked the question of how to dual boot Linux with Windows 10 UEFI.
There's a step by step guide here on how to install Ubuntu to dual boot with Win 10
I use Ubuntu on my home computers. It's a great system.
If you want to use Mint, which is also a great distro, there's some info here
Both guides require you to disable Windows secure boot, which is explained.
I have my own partitioning scheme, which I've used for many years:
As with all things Linux, you're free to choose for yourself how your disk is used--or you can tell the installation to handle it the way it thinks best.
With Linux, it's not just about its superior security/networking/multi-tasking/power, but also choice. You're *free* to choose everything, from which distro to how your system looks to which of thousands of programs you install. Unlike window$, when a question like "can Linux do...?", I don't even need to hear the rest of the question to know that the answer is [almost always] yes.
'Tis my favorite Go-To for Linux, helps ppl who are coming from M$ quite considerably as it's a similar layout bit isn't Windows error -prone.
When dualbooting Win10, everything changes.. Gotta partition the HDD 1st but leave the section ur gonna have for windows alone, like "unformatted".
Install Linux. Next be installing Linux to desired partitions:
boot "fat32", 200MB
/ "EXT4 Root/system", 20GB
Home "EXT4 Data", However much ##GB ya want
SWAP "SWAP" SWAP , (**GB *basically your RAM total, x 2 if less than 12GB
~ Separating you boot & home partition allows you to save your data even if /Root-system gets borked
Install windows into empty partition and it'll format that section into whatever it needs to, outta whatever gave to work with. After it installs, you'll need go into BIOS/UEFI a cpl times and change the boot order so that Linux goes before Windows and boot Linux after saving/exiting. NOW is the time to update Linux, which it'll also recheck grub and see Windows.. Will have selection options next boot.. Enjoy
But with Kubuntu, it doesn't matter what its layout looks like when it's first installed, because its infinite customization options let the user make it look however they want.
As I said recently in another thread, my mom--who was ≈80 years old, and only knew window$--adapted to Kubuntu with no issues, because I made it look/act like what she was used to: only one desktop, one horizontal taskbar at the bottom of the screen, a 'start' button in the bottom left corner, etc.
She routinely complained about how FAST it was. She was used to endless waiting, endless twiddling her thumbs while waiting, endless rebooting, and so on. Until Linux took it over, she had no idea what a fast computer she had. And she was perplexed at why it never needed to be rebooted.
Thank you for the replies @MoodyBlues and @bcrichster I now need the time to prepare the system and get it all setup.
Hopefully next week.
You're very welcome.
Please post any questions or concerns you may have. I'm convinced that we'll be able to help with anything that comes up. Not me, necessarily, but my Linux buddies who know things I don't, like anything to do with window$. They're very knowledgeable and always willing to help.
Guys, just before I start the potential OS killing step; the guide has me doubting my options:
See attached pic.. am I fine to use the C drive to shrink the storage to make room for the Linux partitions or will it kill MS at the same time?
I would use Windows disk management to shrink partition C: Then you can create a new partition in the freed up space.
Using the shrink option in Windows is perfectly safe. Unfortunately, Win will only give you have the drive; so if your drive is 1TB, then you will end up with a little less than 500G to play with.
If you want more than that, then you could shrink the Windows volume further with GParted, but there is risk of damaging the data in that partition, particularly with older Win installations.
Thanks @LV426 and @Dngrsone
Once i shrink the partition, do I need to do anything with it or leave it as a raw partition for linux to sort on the install?
So erm, how long should it take to startup from boot? The boot menu appears and I choose Start Kubuntu and then it just sits on a blank screen doing nothing..
Keeping in mind that I don't do what you're doing (dual boot), I'm just guessing.
So have you installed Kubuntu or you're trying to?
I know when I'm installing it, at certain points while it's cranking away doing stuff, its screensaver kicks in and--you guessed it--it's a blank screen.
Is there hard drive activity? What happens when you press a harmless key, like [ctrl]? Anything? If not...I don't know...bad install media?
Please feel free to hop on over to Kubuntu Forums, where there are friendly, helpful members and sections specifically for things like Help the New Guy and UEFI Assistance. If they can't help you, no one can!
Yeah, I'm looking into it @MoodyBlues .. most of what I'm reading is beyond me tho. (Was already at those links)
Installation does not begin, I believe another option to install appears after the first screen. Nout happens when pressing buttons.
I've downloaded the ISO from 2 different sources and mounted on 2 different sticks. So I think its maybe something to do with the gfx card.. not sure tho.
I tried the above, although I misread it earlier and used the Nividia method and not the ATI method. So I'll give that a go tomorrow if time is given. Spent 2 hours messing with it today..
Thanks for the reply @MoodyBlues
Whoa! Stop right there.
Just post your own question(s) on KFN, being very specific and detailed, and be sure to explain that you're...*gasp*...a newbie when it comes to Linux/Kubuntu. Your exact circumstances, equipment, and questions are bound to be different from others.
You're welcome. I wish I could do more, but it's just outside my skill-set.
Lol yeah that's what I'm finding. A lot of the guides I read all assume you have linux installed in the first place before having the black screen issue so want you to go into menus I cannot access yet.
I shall do tomorrow @MoodyBlues as I'm at work tonight and need access to the laptop. I reckon it is something silly that will take a few minutes to sort... I hope.
So I was skimming an article about Linus Torvalds [possibly?] inventing Bitcoin. I didn't read it in its entirety, but couldn't help but smile at a couple of things.
First, it says that Linus (yeah, we're totally on a first-name basis ) is worth ≈$150 million, then, second:
"Part of that is due to shares he has in Red Hat Linux, apparently given to him as a thanks for creating the open source operating system that now runs much of the world."
You know, it must be an issue with Kubuntu and my system as I have just tried Mint and it booted up perfectly within a few seconds. Not sure what yet..